RE: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:34:23 -0400
I will still stick to my guns if you want to write a simple game you still
need to understand how things work. My daughter tried to go the easy way
she wrote her first program as a Harry potter tic tac toe. Program She
wanted to do some animations and stuff after the simple game worked and she
quit because it got to difficult to add libraries and link them and figure
out what that silly compiler was saying about dll's and all that cryptic
stuff. It is a whole lot less cryptic if you start out at the basics and
create a simple hello world with c then create a library maybe a dll and
link it together you can do that with simple c and a command line and a
compiler that will not be nice but it will give you a real idea of what is
going on. If Jess is a girl woops I I will start making gender neutral
replies. . Hmm or maybe I should go the star trek method and just call
everyone he.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie McBride
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:17 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
Well, gosh, I'm actually coming out of my lurking hole, & the moon's
not even full! Wuddup w/that, yall think?
I think it really depends on what Jess wants to do. I believe I recall
right that Jess is a lady, so, if I'm not remembering that correctly,
Jess, then please forgive me. If Jess wants to get into programming as
a vocation, then I agree w/Ken--learn about how the software interacts
w/the hardware & about registers & pointers, etc. If, on the other
hand, she just wants to program as a hobby, e.g., write apps for
herself, make some freeware or cheap shareware games, etc., then I'll
disagree and suggest that learning some sort of scripting or
code-by-the-numbers type of language may be just what the doctor
ordered.
Whichever route u take, though, Jess, it'll likely be frought
w/frustration for a long time till u get the language syntax straight.
I guess it depends on how bad u want it as to whether it's worth the
time & energy you'll have to expend.
&, yeah, Bob, you're right--the Germans did not bomb Pearl Harbor.
On 6/30/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> I am sorry Rick but this is what is wrong with most coders coming out of
> college now days. They code by the drop button and create if statement
> method. Have you actually looked at Job listings. A person that learns
to
> code the way you just laid out whether they be sited or blind will be the
> bottom of the barrel. Some jobs asks for Visual studio but a monkey can
> make a form and add an if statement to it to make a button do something.
If
> a person wants to be a coder they need to be make sure they are not
getting
> themselves where they can be put out by some new AI programming language
> that can make the forms straight from a design chart created by a
> secretary. That type of coding can be done by anyone.
>
> Colleges switched to GUI environments to make money because any sited
person
> can create a half baked program with them. They did the same thing to the
> electronics field with places like ITT and other tech schools that taught
> half baked electronics. Now I am not saying a good electronics person or
a
> good coder can't come from the easy road what I am saying is it is much
more
> unlikely that one will.
>
> If on the other hand you start with a compiled language or an assembled
> language you will understand what is going on. You shouldn't even worry
> about the GUI till you know how programs are logically put together and
why.
> Otherwise we are going to need that 48 core computer and 12 TB of ram just
> to run the next text editor because we as coders are getting slipperier
and
> messier because we don't understand what is going on under the engine.
>
> Anyway I have ranted enough but a person that is just getting started
would
> be better to start in straight C and learn what memory was, how to deal
with
> pointers, and understand what a register is because in the long run if
> you're really going to be a coder not a monkey dialog maker you will need
> that information and if you think you have become a coder by creating some
> monkey dialogs you will find yourself very screwed when you take that job
> you are not even close to ready for.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:18 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
>
> First, Programming in today's world is a world apart from where we use to
> be. It is so much simpler in some ways and light years more complex in
other
>
> ways. Programming in the Visual Studio IDE takes a large learning curve.
You
>
> need to install and configure that puppy. Fail to do this and you will be
> hearing more junk and losing focus more than an intrevert at a rock
concert.
>
> That is a pain itself. Then, if you run JAWS you need to configure JAWS,
> again better get it right. Then after you get all that done you can open
the
>
> IDE and look at a bunch of buttons and dialogs that have seemingly nothing
> to do with creating a computer program using computer statements. And, God
> Forbid, You try and download and install Sql Server Express, well, you
will
> be headed for gray hair if you are one of the lucky few who get that far.
> You absolutely need to configure the IDE for accessibility, pick the
> ssimpelest language, vb.net, to start with and create your first Hello
World
>
> Form from the Form1 file. That is after you create a new project of the
> Windows Forms type. Then you can drop a couple of buttons, a textbox or 2
on
>
> the Form1 designer, set their properties and code the related VB Code for
> the Button Click Events and mess with the Text Properties of the
TextBoxes.
> If you get that far you will be on your way to learning to Program in
Visual
>
> Studio. I would start with the Vb.net Express module since it does not
have
> all the other languages and is just a little cleaner to start with. Once
you
>
> get the nack of making a form do things like Display Output to a user,
Read
> Inputs from a user and do some Processing on the input, you have the basic
> understanding of what computer programming is really about IPO, Input /
> Process / Output. If you jump into C++, Visual Studio IDE and a DB you are
> jumping out of an airplane and flapping as hard as you can but you can
> pretty much guess the final result. But, Give Up? Did We Give Up when the
> Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor? No, when the going gets tough - the tough ask
> questions on list and follow up with more work!
> Rick USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jes" <theeternalkid@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:59 PM
> Subject: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> All I get when using visual studio are nothing but errors! I just want to
be
>
> able to write a program and have it work! Just once! But no. All I get are
> errors! So what's the use in even trying? Encouragement needed badly!
> Thanks.
> Jes
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