Re: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
- From: Dave <davidct1209@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:19:24 -0700
Echoing much of what everyone else has said. Jes, keep going with it;
we've all been there after all.
I will say from my own experiences that coding involves a few
different subjects combined in a new and creative way. Coding is
learning a language and it's also fairly logical/mathematical. I
remember wrestling with Borland Turbo C++ and having much grief trying
to print out a hello world message in the console.
I don't think I really understood what I was doing until my
undergraduate years where you get to learn how the readable "code"
gets transformed into instructions executed by a CPU. That alone
pulls together topics from compilers, operating systems, discrete
math/logic, and many other subjects. I would recommend reading a few
wikipedia articles to get a feel for the richness behind computing and
that program you're writing.
Hth and feel free to send more messages to keep all of us updated!
On 6/30/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> I am sorry Rick but this is what is wrong with most coders coming out of
> college now days. They code by the drop button and create if statement
> method. Have you actually looked at Job listings. A person that learns to
> code the way you just laid out whether they be sited or blind will be the
> bottom of the barrel. Some jobs asks for Visual studio but a monkey can
> make a form and add an if statement to it to make a button do something. If
> a person wants to be a coder they need to be make sure they are not getting
> themselves where they can be put out by some new AI programming language
> that can make the forms straight from a design chart created by a
> secretary. That type of coding can be done by anyone.
>
> Colleges switched to GUI environments to make money because any sited person
> can create a half baked program with them. They did the same thing to the
> electronics field with places like ITT and other tech schools that taught
> half baked electronics. Now I am not saying a good electronics person or a
> good coder can't come from the easy road what I am saying is it is much more
> unlikely that one will.
>
> If on the other hand you start with a compiled language or an assembled
> language you will understand what is going on. You shouldn't even worry
> about the GUI till you know how programs are logically put together and why.
> Otherwise we are going to need that 48 core computer and 12 TB of ram just
> to run the next text editor because we as coders are getting slipperier and
> messier because we don't understand what is going on under the engine.
>
> Anyway I have ranted enough but a person that is just getting started would
> be better to start in straight C and learn what memory was, how to deal with
> pointers, and understand what a register is because in the long run if
> you're really going to be a coder not a monkey dialog maker you will need
> that information and if you think you have become a coder by creating some
> monkey dialogs you will find yourself very screwed when you take that job
> you are not even close to ready for.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:18 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
>
> First, Programming in today's world is a world apart from where we use to
> be. It is so much simpler in some ways and light years more complex in other
>
> ways. Programming in the Visual Studio IDE takes a large learning curve. You
>
> need to install and configure that puppy. Fail to do this and you will be
> hearing more junk and losing focus more than an intrevert at a rock concert.
>
> That is a pain itself. Then, if you run JAWS you need to configure JAWS,
> again better get it right. Then after you get all that done you can open the
>
> IDE and look at a bunch of buttons and dialogs that have seemingly nothing
> to do with creating a computer program using computer statements. And, God
> Forbid, You try and download and install Sql Server Express, well, you will
> be headed for gray hair if you are one of the lucky few who get that far.
> You absolutely need to configure the IDE for accessibility, pick the
> ssimpelest language, vb.net, to start with and create your first Hello World
>
> Form from the Form1 file. That is after you create a new project of the
> Windows Forms type. Then you can drop a couple of buttons, a textbox or 2 on
>
> the Form1 designer, set their properties and code the related VB Code for
> the Button Click Events and mess with the Text Properties of the TextBoxes.
> If you get that far you will be on your way to learning to Program in Visual
>
> Studio. I would start with the Vb.net Express module since it does not have
> all the other languages and is just a little cleaner to start with. Once you
>
> get the nack of making a form do things like Display Output to a user, Read
> Inputs from a user and do some Processing on the input, you have the basic
> understanding of what computer programming is really about IPO, Input /
> Process / Output. If you jump into C++, Visual Studio IDE and a DB you are
> jumping out of an airplane and flapping as hard as you can but you can
> pretty much guess the final result. But, Give Up? Did We Give Up when the
> Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor? No, when the going gets tough - the tough ask
> questions on list and follow up with more work!
> Rick USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jes" <theeternalkid@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:59 PM
> Subject: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> All I get when using visual studio are nothing but errors! I just want to be
>
> able to write a program and have it work! Just once! But no. All I get are
> errors! So what's the use in even trying? Encouragement needed badly!
> Thanks.
> Jes
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