RE: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
- From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:35:38 -0400
Yup, same goes for me.
Ken was the first guy I talked to on here, along with Laura when I ranted about
c++ around 8 to 9 years ago.
So give me a ring anytime, just email me off list for my number.
Take care,
Sina
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:31 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
Well I am not going to say it will be easy. In fact getting the program
working is one of the best joys you will find. You do have
to learn to find fighting with code fun. I am of the opinion that all coders
are somewhat sadistic. I remember spending 3 days on
a bug that turned out not to be a bug I was compiling the wrong code and fixing
another set of it and never noticed.
One thing you have to do is start out with something easy. If Visual studio is
being a beast then download Mingw and go do some
simple c++ or c to start out with. Start out with simple menu driven programs
at the command line like a math program that lets you
add a few numbers. I know some colleges are trying to teach coding by making
people drop pictures on a grid and add some if
statements in Visual basic but that is not coding and blind folks can't do it
that way. The good thing is once you break through
the first few compiled programs no matter how simple you will start
understanding how the compiler talks to you. After that it is
still work but work that is as much joy as a pain in the butt.
So again my suggestion is go install mingw after you get that installed try
making a simple hello world and getting that compiled
from there go out and read any of the simple c++ or C tutorials and go through
each step no matter how simple it is. The reason is
you are not just learning the language but you are learning what the compiler
errors mean. If you get something that is only 10
lines of code and gives you an error outside of the code it's easy to read line
for line and compare to see what is different. If
you get that same error in a big program and believe me you will get one that
gives you a number outside the code you will not be
able to understand what is wrong. Understanding your compiler is key.
Remember this is just as hard as learning a foreign language the computer is
the stupid American who only speaks one language and
you are the master of the universe. Make it heal and if it don't heal make it
think it is doing what it wants.
As many have already said never give up but do get up and go out and do
something when you have hit an error you can't figure out.
Never just sit there and stare at the screen if you're stuck. Go out and play
some guitar, dig a hole in the yard, Make a end
table., take the girl friend/ wife to
.... a show ... or something. Then come back and you will find that some
of the coding knots in your brain untie themselves. We all go through it.
I have been coding since 1986 and there are still days I want to take the
computer and throw it out the window. But those days are
made up by the days when I get an email from a user who thinks I walk on water.
What they don't know is I can but it has to be
really frozen.
Anyway if you need help getting through the original stages of pain there are
people on this list that don't mind giving out their
phone number to walk you through your first errors. Tyler is only partly write
we didn't kill him because we knew what it was like
not because we had any restraint at all. In fact part of ranting back and
forth on this list is getting away from the code and
fuming a while. Anyway if the chips are down and your code has you by the
balls write this list or write me personally and I will
give you my phone number to call and we can get it working.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jes
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:59 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
Hi all,
All I get when using visual studio are nothing but errors! I just want to be
able to write a program and have it work! Just once!
But no. All I get are errors! So what's the use in even trying? Encouragement
needed badly!
Thanks.
Jes
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