Tyler, Thanks again. Your suggestions regarding marketing ideas are good ones to keep in mind. this would be a web business aimed mainly at art (e.g., painting pictures for people, creating other art work, etc.). So, a good marketing strategy for getting first-time customers and getting the word-of-mouth going is an important aspect. You are, in this case, kind of providing both a product and a service. The product is the finished art the customer buys but the service is the customization of each work. It presents some interesting considerations from a marketing perspective. I'll not keep on as patterns for building a successful business model and so on are not quite on-topic for a programming list, but I do appreciate the ideas and I'll probably be asking some more "programming" related questions once I have checked out some of the website references provided. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:57 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Helping a friend start up a web based business I'll try to think of more ideas. I was a sysadmin for shaned.net. basically, it showed me what not to do, if I want a good business. :p It's the worst business I've seen in my life. Something to work on to, is advertizing; it'll be the main point in your company. Think of some sort of offer. A business should expect no proffit for the first 3 months or so. Try to offer some special deals on first customers. etc. Thanks, Tyler Littlefield Vertigo head coder. "I can only please one person per day; Today doesn't seem like your day, and tomorrow doesn't look to promising either." "A life? Where can I download that at?" Contact information: email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx skype: st8amnd127 aim: st8amnd2005 msn: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Macarty, Jay {PBSG}" <Jay.Macarty@xxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: RE: Helping a friend start up a web based business Tyler, Thanks a bunch! I am compiling a list of considerations for the business model. I'll keep your suggestions in mind; they make sense. And, just so you know, I wasn't taking a shot at you personally. I think you have a lot of good ideas. Its just that when someone feels publicly attacked, their first reaction is to respond publicly to defend themselves. However, this can quickly spiral into something very nonproductive to the community as a whole. Therefore, I'd prefer to see us "take our gloves off" off list and keep to the facts and productive suggestions, such as those you just offered, on the list. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield, Tyler Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:07 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Helping a friend start up a web based business OK, een though I just had a finger pointed at me,... I didn't miss that one. I'll offer a bit more info. If you can't afford the luxury of an 800 number, it's nice to have msn, and customer reps, or hours when that will be staffed. Also, a knowledge base and help desk is a good asset to. Tyler Littlefield Vertigo head coder. "I can only please one person per day; Today doesn't seem like your day, and tomorrow doesn't look to promising either." "A life? Where can I download that at?" Contact information: email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx skype: st8amnd127 aim: st8amnd2005 msn: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Macarty, Jay {PBSG}" <Jay.Macarty@xxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 6:56 PM Subject: RE: Helping a friend start up a web based business Eunice and Jared, Thanks to the 2 of you for the productive feedback and web references! I will certainly check these out. At this point, I'm not nearly as concerned over what language to use (I've developed with ASP, JSP, servlets before there was JSP, and Rails). I want to explore the domain and hosting options, help this person put together a business model to work off of, and develop some type of strategy around marketing practices, transaction flow, and customer support. I'll certainly take the various technical aspects into consideration at the points where they are applicable, but the choice of website technology is only one of a wide number of factors at this stage. I'm sorry to have not been logged in since posting the question on Friday. This enquiry was strictly intended to serve as a request for feedback by those on the list whom I know have been down this road and might be able to offer some pointers as Jared and Eunice have done. Lets please drop this whole flaming thread and get back to the business of programming and technology. I welcome any additional constructive info anyone has to offer but lets drop the personal attacks and act like professionals please! -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eunice Klicker Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 7:33 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Helping a friend start up a web based business Hi There, I was using Ultra Host, but transferred to Tiger Technologies for 2 reasons. (1) I can pay monthly, and (2) I get my domain free through them for as long as I have my site with them, but the domain is mine; I simply have to pay the balance if I decide to go through another host. Also, their packages are rather good; I just wish they had Fantastico available. Hmm, might check into that. If you wish to check Tiger Tech out use the below link. LOL, I too wish I had a referral currently setup, but...Here it is. http://www.tigertech.net If you want any help or questions answered; I'm glad to try and help. Just let me know what your preferred method of talking is, and I'm sure we can arrange something. HTH, Eunice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Macarty, Jay {PBSG}" <Jay.Macarty@xxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: Helping a friend start up a web based business All, Hoping someone can point me to some documentation or a host. I have a friend who is wanting to start an internet based business. We need to find out how to purchase a domain name and get some space on a web host somewhere. 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