RE: Good resource for beginning programmers

Hi Christopher,
Internet Information Server can run PHP and Perl as CGI applications. It can 
also run VBScript and JScript, Microsoft's version of JavaScript. It can also 
run JavaScript.

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Christopher
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:58 PM
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Subject: Re: Good resource for beginning programmers

If I'm not mistaken, Java applets are client-side, though they can communicate 
with the server, just like Flash/ActionScript. As for a programming language 
that works for web-development, I'm not too sure -- that's not really my field. 
If you are using IIS (Internet Information Servers), then C#/.net is the only 
language that is compiled that I can think of.

All programming languages work on a local computer. It is up to the programmer 
to add support for server/client network communications.  While some languages 
may implement that seemlessly for you, it is still the same concept. And yes, 
Java is a programming language (unfortunately).

Java is the most widely used programming language for mobile devices, so you 
may want to check that out if you are considering developing for mobile devices 
(as much as I hate Java).


On 11/17/2010 6:16 PM, Client Services wrote:

OK-

Thank you. That makes sense.

One more question.  What programming language works from a website server?

Is there a programming language that works both on my computer or from a

remote server?

As far as I can tell. The only one is Java.  Asuming of course Java is a

programming language and not a scripting language.  Java is a programming

language... right?

So far, it sounds like I need to learn C++ along with some scripting

language that works for website development such as PHP, java, or Python.

My objective is to be able to develop very powerful applications on the

internet that can run on computers and mobile devices.  I also truly dislike

studying something and mastering it just as it goes out of style.



H.R. Soltani



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You are correct that scripting languages just brings the "best" out of a

programming language. A scripting language simply sits atop (whether it

be directly or indirectly) a programming language. That means, C/C++ is

really what is running your PHP and Python scripts. Scripting languages

mainly just provide a simple (usually typeless) syntax so things can get

done much quicker than in a true programming language. For example, it

is usually much easier to do something in Python than it is to do that

same thing in C++. However, that does not come free. You lose much

performance when you choose a scripting language (usually).



On 11/17/2010 3:49 PM, Client Services wrote:

Hi-

Thank you for that explanation.

Seems like the line between programming and scripting languages is getting

blurred.

Are scripting languages becoming as powerful as a programming language?

Or

do they just bring the best out of the programming language they are

written

in.

If PHP and Python are written in C and C++, then why can't they make PHP

and

Python to be more like a CMS and useable by non-programmers?

In summary, if I have this correct, a scripting language is actually

written

in a programming language and is just a way of accessing and using the

given

programming language.

When I use PHP and Python, I am actually using C and C++, just in a unique

dialect?  That is assuming Python and PHP are written in C or C++.

So somehow, PHP and Python were supposed to make C or what ever

programming

language easier to use?

Is this accurate?

Sorry for the dumb questions.



H.R. Soltani



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This is one of my pet peeves.



A programming language is a language that is, in the majority of the

cases, compiled to native machine code -and- used for application

development (i.e. C, C++, D) A scripting language is a language that is,

in the majority of the cases, interpreted -and- used to control

applications, and sometimes application development in general (i.e.

Python, PHP, Ruby, AutoIT, etc.) Java was not a true programming

language until recently when it decided to compile its bytecode

on-the-fly. C# has always been a programming language because it has

always compiled its MSIL on-the-fly. PHP and Python are both written in

C and are both interpreted. (PHP might be written in C++.)



I refuse to call a non-compiled language a programming language,

regardless of the language.



So, here is a simple test to see what is a programming language and what

is a scripting language.



1. Can you write a full application in the language? If yes, then is the

language compiled? If yes, then it is a programming language.

2. Can you write a full application in the language? If yes, then is the

language compiled? If no, then it is a scripting language.

3. Can you write a full application in the language? If no, then it is a

scripting language.





On 11/17/2010 2:24 PM, Alex Midence wrote:

I am not at a stage in my learning where I can do well at explaining

this so, I have provided some links for you to explore:



Scripting language

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scripting_language



Programming language:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language



Be warned:  This will create more questions for you.  Have fun!!!



Alex M









On 11/17/10, Client 
Services<operations@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:operations@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>   wrote:

Hi-

What is the difference between a scripting language and a programming

language?

So if PHP and Python are scripting languages, what programming language

are

they written in?

And why are they called scripting languages?



H.R. Soltani





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Subject: Re: Good resource for beginning programmers



You've got scripting languages and programming languages there.

Javascript is client side scripting.  Websites run scripts on the

visitor's machine to dynamically change themselves according to

stimuli.  Php is a scripting language that does dynamic webpage

changing among other things from the server side.  It is used in

conjunction with database solutions like my sql and the like.  Java

and C are both programming languages.  Java is a high level

object-oriented language that runs on a virtual machine.  It is used

to create applets and web apps for all sorts of functions.  Java is

also used to create desktop  applicaitons like, for instance, Eclipse,

Open Office, and things of that nature.  C is a low-level procedural

programming language that is used for desktop aplications and

low-level programming such as drivers, utilities and the like.

Certain platforms are also written in C like, for instance, Windoes is

in C.  I believe Gnome was also written in C.  I went into this detail

because your post indicated that you thought these were all web

development languages and they are not.  Python is a scripting

language that can do a lot of the same things programming languages

can do and has a reputation for being easy to learn and fostering

rapid development.  An applications that php could not create, IMHO is

a screen reader.  Python was used to create two of them.



Hope that helps,

Alex M





On 11/17/10, Client 
Services<operations@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:operations@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>   wrote:

Hi everybody-

I am trying to decide where to start as far as learning programming.

I decided I would focus on 1. PHP, 2. JavaScript, 3. Java, 4. C

I figured these are being used the most in web development and custom

applications. So, where does Python come in?  How would you compare

Python

with Java, PHP, and C??

Can anybody give me an example of what cannot be developed in PHP which

can

be developed in Python?

Or how about Java vs Python if PHP is to lowly?  I have just heard PHP

has

limitations.







H.R. Soltani

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