Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

  • From: Storm Dragon <stormdragon2976@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:09:19 -0400

Hi,
What about the Firefox version for Linux?
Storm


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On Mon, 2010-03-29 at 14:46 -0400, Jared Wright wrote:

> I would love to switch almost exclusively to a Linux workstation at this 
> point, but there's still nothing that can be considered satisfactory for 
> modern web browsing by my estimation. Since so much of our software 
> today is handled in part or in whole through a web browser, I hope this 
> gets some attention in this discussion. I have been getting plenty done 
> with Orca/Speakup and Festival, but I'm still virtualizing Windows just 
> so I can use WE and Firefox, which is basically like dropping a nuke to 
> take care of a domestic pest issue.
> 
> Jared
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/29/2010 2:20 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
> > I agree with you Jim I have turned off xwin totally and use my Linux box for
> > development only.  I am thinking of trying speak up and emacspeak again
> > because they supposedly support more but when it comes to Open Office it is
> > so sluggish it is sick.  Not to mention I have to buy $5 to $48 in voices to
> > make it something I can listen to.  Even with the purchase of those voices
> > though Orca is more like Snail-a since Whales are at least fast.   I am
> > stuck in Windows not by choice but by productivity even though my entire job
> > is programming in Linux.  Well not all of it I have something I am working
> > on in VB but that's just a rewrite.  Now a couple Sighted guys I work with
> > us Linux entirely but I can't because it would be so slow its sick.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:39 PM
> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> >
> > Hi,
> > All of this messing around with stuff has turned me off, so far, to free
> > software. That and the lack of good docs. I know I can jump in and code and
> > document to my heart's content, but I don't want to do that. I just want to
> > use it. So from my point of view, you can wine all you want about MS and
> > FreedomScientific stinking, but until this stuff becomes easier to use, I
> > would rather be productive than throw my computer out the window in disgust.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Jim Homme,
> > Usability Services,
> > Phone: 412-544-1810
> > Skype: jim.homme
> > Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility
> > here.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell, Jude
> > T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:24 PM
> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> > Importance: Low
> >
> > There may be some scripting needed to activate java access bridge on a
> > computer before it will do what it's supposed to do.  I heard something
> > about a few small scripts needing to be written for it with java to turn
> > it on.  I intend to find that documentation for my PC and see if I can
> > finish getting that accessible in a little while.  If I get it all
> > working, maybe I'll be able to put a zip file up with the small
> > additional scripts in it and explain a little about what needed doing
> > and how it works.  There are users on the nvda list and maybe some
> > developers who got this working, so maybe the message describing the
> > scripts or providing copies of them is in that list's archives.
> >
> >
> > Rot47:<;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:50
> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> >
> > Hi,
> > I tried to get that working, but failed miserably. It said that I had
> > the access bridge installed and that I had the OpenOffice software
> > installed, but I couldn't get JAWS to read the menus and so on. So I
> > uninstalled the thing.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Jim Homme,
> > Usability Services,
> > Phone: 412-544-1810
> > Skype: jim.homme
> > Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility
> > here.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
> > Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:24 PM
> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> > Importance: Low
> >
> > Openoffice is available provided you can get java access bridge
> > correctly configured for it and you haven't got software installation
> > restrictions.  That's had jaws accessibility for longer than it had
> > linux accessibility.  The openoffice.org software comes with the
> > database so it'll be like getting the msoffice edition with msaccess
> > included.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rot47:<;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:17
> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> > What Gnu software can I now use on Windows to replace MS Office?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Jim Homme,
> > Usability Services,
> > Phone: 412-544-1810
> > Skype: jim.homme
> > Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility
> > here.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Dunleavy
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:55 AM
> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > I think the warning against server based applications should be retained
> > in
> > some form.
> > Some time ago, on this mailing list, there was strong criticism of the
> > RoboBraille service.
> > The FSF has a more nuanced article about "cloud computing" at:
> > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html
> >
> > --Jim
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris Hofstader<cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> >
> >
> >    
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have spent most of the last nine months working on NPII. I think it
> >>      
> > is a
> > very good idea and can be managed in a way that can preserve anonymity
> > while
> > having some of its services running on a server. All software written by
> > RTF/NPII will have a free software license (I think it will be MIT) but
> > third parties, including proprietary software vendors, can use our back
> > end
> > to augment their products.
> >    
> >> The one problem with NPII is that it is a really big project and
> >>      
> > raising
> > money to move it out of the discussion phase is an arduous process to
> > say
> > the least.
> >    
> >> As I said earlier, I'm collecting criticism and ideas for the next
> >>      
> > version
> > of the GNU Accessibility Statement and appreciate the feedback.
> >    
> >> So, I think we can say that this group would prefer the server based
> >>      
> > applications sentence be removed. Now, what do you guys think about
> > everything else in the statement?
> >    
> >> cdh
> >> On Mar 27, 2010, at 4:05 PM, qubit wrote:
> >>
> >>      
> >>> I didn't see much technical at that website -- just a general
> >>>        
> > overview
> > and
> >    
> >>> FAQ and white paper.  But it is interesting.  I personally wonder if
> >>>        
> > it
> > is
> >    
> >>> possible to do what they want -- I mean, leveling the playing field
> >>>        
> > for
> >    
> >>> everyone with a broad range of disabilities and still allow normal
> >>> competition in the software market -- I say this because different
> >>>        
> > persons
> >    
> >>> have different and sometimes conflicting needs, which would require
> >>> different support not just on the net infrastructure, but also in
> >>> applications.
> >>> But it remains to be seen how successful this strategy will be.
> >>> Are you a member?
> >>> --le
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Cc: "Chris Hofstader"<cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I agree that there are legitimate privacy concerns that one should
> >>> address when using web-based applications.  I also agree that, other
> >>> things being equal, it is better to get a computing job done
> >>>        
> > locally,
> >    
> >>> without needing an Internet connection.
> >>>
> >>> I also think that cloud computing offers much potential for people
> >>>        
> > with
> >    
> >>> disabilities if managed well.  A coalition of individuals and
> >>> organizations in the accessibility field believes this to be the
> >>>        
> > case,
> >    
> >>> and has proposed a "National Public Inclusive Infrastructure"
> >>>        
> > described
> >    
> >>> at the web site
> >>> http://npii.org/
> >>>
> >>> Jamal
> >>>
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