RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

I forgot to mention, if on a Debian system edbrowse needs the
spidermonkey-bin package in order to work well.  At least that's what it
says in its documentation though spidermonkey-bin is not listed as a
Debian dependency for edbrowse. 


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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 14:54
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
Importance: Low

Have you heard about and/or tried the edbrowse package yet?  If you're
using a debian system it'll be a downloadable package.  To get it set up
though, /usr/share/doc/edbrowse/examples/ has an ebrcsetup script you
need to run as a normal user that will be using the browser.  There are
html files in that directory tree with the documentation for edbrowse in
them too.  Warning, edbrowse is an acquired taste and using it along
with the documentation for reference to complete tasks will be necessary
for a while.  That said, if you run into a web site that doesn't work
for you and the author of edbrowse can get to it, he'll fix things so
they do work for you in the next version.
 


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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 14:46
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online

I would love to switch almost exclusively to a Linux workstation at this

point, but there's still nothing that can be considered satisfactory for

modern web browsing by my estimation. Since so much of our software 
today is handled in part or in whole through a web browser, I hope this 
gets some attention in this discussion. I have been getting plenty done 
with Orca/Speakup and Festival, but I'm still virtualizing Windows just 
so I can use WE and Firefox, which is basically like dropping a nuke to 
take care of a domestic pest issue.

Jared



On 3/29/2010 2:20 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
> I agree with you Jim I have turned off xwin totally and use my Linux
box for
> development only.  I am thinking of trying speak up and emacspeak
again
> because they supposedly support more but when it comes to Open Office
it is
> so sluggish it is sick.  Not to mention I have to buy $5 to $48 in
voices to
> make it something I can listen to.  Even with the purchase of those
voices
> though Orca is more like Snail-a since Whales are at least fast.   I
am
> stuck in Windows not by choice but by productivity even though my
entire job
> is programming in Linux.  Well not all of it I have something I am
working
> on in VB but that's just a rewrite.  Now a couple Sighted guys I work
with
> us Linux entirely but I can't because it would be so slow its sick.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme,
James
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:39 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
>
> Hi,
> All of this messing around with stuff has turned me off, so far, to
free
> software. That and the lack of good docs. I know I can jump in and
code and
> document to my heart's content, but I don't want to do that. I just
want to
> use it. So from my point of view, you can wine all you want about MS
and
> FreedomScientific stinking, but until this stuff becomes easier to
use, I
> would rather be productive than throw my computer out the window in
disgust.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Homme,
> Usability Services,
> Phone: 412-544-1810
> Skype: jim.homme
> Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
accessibility
> here.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
Jude
> T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:24 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> Importance: Low
>
> There may be some scripting needed to activate java access bridge on a
> computer before it will do what it's supposed to do.  I heard
something
> about a few small scripts needing to be written for it with java to
turn
> it on.  I intend to find that documentation for my PC and see if I can
> finish getting that accessible in a little while.  If I get it all
> working, maybe I'll be able to put a zip file up with the small
> additional scripts in it and explain a little about what needed doing
> and how it works.  There are users on the nvda list and maybe some
> developers who got this working, so maybe the message describing the
> scripts or providing copies of them is in that list's archives.
>
>
> Rot47:<;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme,
James
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:50
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
>
> Hi,
> I tried to get that working, but failed miserably. It said that I had
> the access bridge installed and that I had the OpenOffice software
> installed, but I couldn't get JAWS to read the menus and so on. So I
> uninstalled the thing.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Homme,
> Usability Services,
> Phone: 412-544-1810
> Skype: jim.homme
> Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
accessibility
> here.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
> Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:24 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
> Importance: Low
>
> Openoffice is available provided you can get java access bridge
> correctly configured for it and you haven't got software installation
> restrictions.  That's had jaws accessibility for longer than it had
> linux accessibility.  The openoffice.org software comes with the
> database so it'll be like getting the msoffice edition with msaccess
> included.
>
>
>
> Rot47:<;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme,
James
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:17
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
>
> Hi Chris,
> What Gnu software can I now use on Windows to replace MS Office?
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Homme,
> Usability Services,
> Phone: 412-544-1810
> Skype: jim.homme
> Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
accessibility
> here.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim
Dunleavy
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 11:55 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I think the warning against server based applications should be
retained
> in
> some form.
> Some time ago, on this mailing list, there was strong criticism of the
> RoboBraille service.
> The FSF has a more nuanced article about "cloud computing" at:
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html
>
> --Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Hofstader<cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
>
>
>    
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have spent most of the last nine months working on NPII. I think it
>>      
> is a
> very good idea and can be managed in a way that can preserve anonymity
> while
> having some of its services running on a server. All software written
by
> RTF/NPII will have a free software license (I think it will be MIT)
but
> third parties, including proprietary software vendors, can use our
back
> end
> to augment their products.
>    
>> The one problem with NPII is that it is a really big project and
>>      
> raising
> money to move it out of the discussion phase is an arduous process to
> say
> the least.
>    
>> As I said earlier, I'm collecting criticism and ideas for the next
>>      
> version
> of the GNU Accessibility Statement and appreciate the feedback.
>    
>> So, I think we can say that this group would prefer the server based
>>      
> applications sentence be removed. Now, what do you guys think about
> everything else in the statement?
>    
>> cdh
>> On Mar 27, 2010, at 4:05 PM, qubit wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> I didn't see much technical at that website -- just a general
>>>        
> overview
> and
>    
>>> FAQ and white paper.  But it is interesting.  I personally wonder if
>>>        
> it
> is
>    
>>> possible to do what they want -- I mean, leveling the playing field
>>>        
> for
>    
>>> everyone with a broad range of disabilities and still allow normal
>>> competition in the software market -- I say this because different
>>>        
> persons
>    
>>> have different and sometimes conflicting needs, which would require
>>> different support not just on the net infrastructure, but also in
>>> applications.
>>> But it remains to be seen how successful this strategy will be.
>>> Are you a member?
>>> --le
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Cc: "Chris Hofstader"<cdh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: GNU Accessibility Statement Online
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree that there are legitimate privacy concerns that one should
>>> address when using web-based applications.  I also agree that, other
>>> things being equal, it is better to get a computing job done
>>>        
> locally,
>    
>>> without needing an Internet connection.
>>>
>>> I also think that cloud computing offers much potential for people
>>>        
> with
>    
>>> disabilities if managed well.  A coalition of individuals and
>>> organizations in the accessibility field believes this to be the
>>>        
> case,
>    
>>> and has proposed a "National Public Inclusive Infrastructure"
>>>        
> described
>    
>>> at the web site
>>> http://npii.org/
>>>
>>> Jamal
>>>
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