RE: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA

  • From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 07:09:18 -0400

Hi Alex,
I'm sorry that you had to go through all of this. Speaking for myself, you did 
nothing wrong.

Jim

Jim Homme,
Usability Services,
Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility here. 
Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 5:17 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA

That's an amazing message there.  I don't know quite how to respond to
you on that one.  All I will say is that I did everything I could to
ensure that someone would get some warning that they needed to hit the
control key to stop  speech and skip over the rest of the message.
Sina had asked if I'd spelled the word correctly and whether or not I
was sure the effect was as I described.  I reproduced the word
thinking to assist anyone who was interested in exploring this bug for
themself in the limited way we can given the fact that we don't have
the source code for eloquence.  I warned people and followed my
warning up by a blank line which usually makes a synth pause.  I then
typed in a string of equal signs which should be enough to make
someone quiet their synth and do some skipping tilll they find a
comprehensible bit of text to read.  I thought this would give
everyone plenty of time to avoid any unwanted crashes while still
letting those who wanted to experience the bug for themselves the
opportunity to do so.  All you would have to do if you didn't want to
hear it was jump to the bottom of my message and read it from there
stopping at the beginning of the last paragraph.  Or, someone might
have switched from Jaws to NVDA since a large number of people have
both on their machines.  It was not intended as some  sort of sick
joke or an irresponsible bit of neglect that I put out knowing it
would crash a screen reader for someone who didn't want it crashed.
Several messages leading up to it talked about the fact that we were
discussing a bug that crashed Jaws.  Indeed, my first message was a
caviat to unsuspecting readers who might have clicked on the link that
they should watch out for this word in a comment placed by someone who
I believe does have a rather odd sense of humor since there is nothing
to warn somebody that he or she was about to type a word that might
potentially crash someone else's Jaws.  If my precautions were not
enough, I do appologize for any  inconvenience I may have caused any
members of this list.  It was truly unintentional.  I figured that
since we all either wrote software or aspired to some day, a
discussion of a bug in a program we all use complete with a
demonstration of said bug would be interesting.

Having said all that, I don't know what you mean by claiming that I
will not like what will happen to me if I "do it again" but, honestly,
if you would rather that I unsubscribed, please tell me and I will do
so.  I am a grown man fully capable of unsubscribing myself from a
list at the behest of the moderator.  I don't need threats and I don't
require the hand holding approach of being blocked/kicked off a list.
So, if you need me to unsubscribe, please let me know.  If I have
violated some policy of the list, and I am on a probationary period of
some kind, I'd also like to be told and made to understand precisely
what constituted the infraction.  Again, it was not my intention to
inconvenience anyone here and if my precautions to avoid this were
insufficient, I do appologize.  In my defense, I figured that if
someone on a programmers' list had read all the messages leading up to
when I actually wrote the word out,  they would be a bit cautious and
slow down their speech or something since someone else might have
actually deleted the dashes spelling out the word and posted it in a
reply without warning.  I know I sure was when I noticed someone had
replied to my message.

Regards,
Alex M


On 10/14/10, The Elf <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> you won't like it if you ever do that again...
>
> elf
> Moderator, Blind Access Help
> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
> - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!
> www.alacorncomputer.com
> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
> for blind computer users and programmers
> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 7:06 PM
> Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
>
>
> Pretty sure.  Can't test it right now again though.  I'm in the middle
> of some homework for geology.  It crashed me just fine earlier this
> afternoon.  WArning:   word follows all the equal signs:
>
> =====================
>
> webhesday
>
>
>
> If yours doesn't crash, wonder what's different about your machine.
> I'm running Jfw 11.0.1447 on a 32 bit machine with windows xp sp3.  I
> opened up notepad and just typed it in and then tried reading what I'd
> written and whamo, down she went.  Had to bring up nvda to restore
> speech long enough to restart.
>
> Alex M
>
>
>
>
> On 10/13/10, Sina Bahram <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Just tried that word on both jaws 11 and 12 with no dashes, and it read
>> fine
>> ... You sure about the spelling?
>>
>> Take care,
>> Sina
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:45 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
>>
>> Just don't read the bottom most comment with jaws.  It contains a word
>> that
>> will cause a crash.  That word w-e-b-h-e-s-d-a-y using eloquence, it will
>> crash your Jaws for real and you'll have to restart.  Kinda cool, actually
>> in a warped sort of way.  If you don't believe me, take out the dashes and
>> read the word with Jaws.  No idea why.
>>
>> Alex M
>>
>>
>> On 10/13/10, Alphonso McFadden <techsales2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Thanks
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacobk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://www.nvda-project.org/wiki/Download
>>>>
>>>> Jacob Kruger
>>>> Blind Biker
>>>> Skype: BlindZA
>>>> '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Alphonso McFadden" <techsales2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where can I get it?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:27 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That depends on what Work entails. NVDA does a pretty good job with
>>>>> what it can do, but it's powers of extensability have nothing
>>>>> equivalent to the scripting facilities found in the commercial Windows
>>>>> screen readers.
>>>>> But it is free, just drop it on a flash drive and take it to work.
>>>>> Give it a try. Worst case scenario you're out a half hour's
>>>>> tinkering  or whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/13/2010 04:22 PM, Lafond, Eileen wrote:
>>>>>> Would it be a viable product to use for work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme,
>>>>>> James
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:01 PM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Eileen,
>>>>>> What do you mean by that question?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Homme,
>>>>>> Usability Services,
>>>>>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme Internal recipients,  Read my
>>>>>> accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility here. Accessibility Wiki:
>>>>>> Breaking news and accessibility advice
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lafond,
>>>>>> Eileen
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:47 PM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          Hi,
>>>>>> Does anyone know how efficient NVDA actually is as a screen reader?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eileen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of demir
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:26 AM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very cool stuff:)
>>>>>> Jaws is Woldemort, Nvda is Harry:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Demir Ajvazi
>>>>>> Msn:
>>>>>> demir_zmaj@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Skype:
>>>>>> demir-2007
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Kerneels Roos"<kerneels@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:07 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Fw: youtube video, jaws versus NVDA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   100 points for that one!!! Ha ha ha he he he ha ha ha!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/13/2010 8:35 AM, Hrvoje Katić wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   HaHaHa that is awesome!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hrvoje
>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>> ___________________________________
>>>>>>>> Mobile: +385989590464
>>>>>>>> E-Mail: hrvojekatic@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> MSN: hrkatic@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Skype: hrvojekatic
>>>>>>>> Twitter: @HKatic
>>>>>>>> Facebook: www.facebook.com/jukebox2009
>>>>>>>> Klango: DJ_Jukebox
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 13.10.2010 1:42, qubit wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For anyone who hasn't heard this one already, here's for your
>>>>>>>>> amusement:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://goo.gl/nAOM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --le
>>>>>>>>> __________
>>>>>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>>>>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> __________
>>>>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>>>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Kerneels Roos
>>>>>>> Cell: +27 (0)82 309 1998
>>>>>>> Skype: cornelis.roos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Common Sense" is not "Common Practice" .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The Strawberry Jam Law:
>>>>>>>    The wider you spread it, the thinner it gets..."
>>>>>>>     -- from the Java Specialist Newsletter, from a book on
>>>>>>> consulting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> __________
>>>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> __________
>>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>>>>>>
>>>>>> V'      l w f   ڝ !jx ʋ   m x,j m
>>>>>>  祊 l  ? +-  肶  ) nX
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are
>>>>>> intended solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are
>>>>>> addressed.
>>>>>> If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender
>>>>>> immediately and then delete it.  If you are not the intended
>>>>>> recipient, you must not keep, use, disclose, copy or distribute
>>>>>> this e-mail without
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the author's prior permission.  The views expressed in this e-mail
>>>>>> message do not necessarily represent the views of Highmark Inc.,
>>>>>> its subsidiaries, or affiliates.
>>>>>>  b{
>>>>>> azX  ȧ~  jب   r   쨺   ا ƭ  i  0   zX   +  b  鮈+ji    w V'
>>>>>>    l w f   ڝ !jx ʋ   m x,j m       祊 l  ? +-  肶  ) nX d===
>>>>>
>>>>> __________
>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> __________
>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>>>> signature database 5529 (20101013) __________
>>>>
>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>>>> signature database 5529 (20101013) __________
>>>>
>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> __________
>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>>>>
>>>
>>> __________
>>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>>>
>>>
>> __________
>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>>
>> __________
>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>>
>>
> __________
> View the list's information and change your settings at
> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>
>
> __________
> View the list's information and change your settings at
> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>
>
__________
View the list's information and change your settings at
//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind

V'�����l�w��f���ڝ�!jxʋ���m�x,j�m�����祊�l��?�+-��肶��)�nX�

Other related posts:

  1. Home
  2. programmingblind
  3. Archive
  4. 10-2010