Re: Fruit basket program alternatives for Learnability
- From: Veli-Pekka Tätilä <vtatila@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:51:33 +0300
Hi Ken,
Good point about Lua et al not being very good Fruit Basket langs since
native GUis are harder to build. Which reminds me, as it stands now, the
Fruit Basket is more an Exercise in GUi layout and basic controls rather
than showing off a particular programming language, just as you said
below. Especially in libs whose list boxes maintain the strings
directly, you don't necessarily demonstrate any kind of array or hash
usage, text processing, functional programming constructs or closures
all of which are common elements in the dynamically typed scripting
languages, for instance.
So could a more involved, and possibly less graphical, version of the
Fruit Basket be developed which is more akin to language comparisons?
What if there's already a C version of WIn32, should there also be a C
version of GTK+ 2, for instance, since it is a different lib with C
bindings?
Hello Worlds as in Wikipedia don't tell much about a language:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/List_of_hello_world_programs
However, I saw a benchmark which tries to demonstrate that with just in
time compiling and dynamic optimizations Java doesn't lose much at all
to C, contrary to popular belief. Not sure how feasible the results are
but:
http://www.osnews.com/story.php/5602/Nine-Language-Performance-Round-up-Benchmarking-Math-and-File-IO//page1
Another interesting thing about that benchmark is the code. IT shows you
basic arithmetic using integer and floating point types, file reading
and writing and measuring the execution times of code. This can be a
good intro to the field of the language i.e. basic data types, control
structures, file I/O etc... which are things almost everyone wants to do
sooner or later.
Another set of language benchmarks would be this one, though not sure
how the code is from a learnability point of view:
http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/
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With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä (vtatila@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming:
http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila
Ken Perry wrote:
> The problem with Haskell, LUA, and Objective Caml which are all languages I
> have thought of doing one in are they do not have an easy way to access the
> Win32 environment or some way to create a dialog type application. I keep
> them on the list of programs I will write one in but haven't got around to
> it because it is almost as much work as the one I wrote in LISP. If someone
> writes them first more power to them but what essentially these will end up
> being is direct calls to Win32 and a bit of the programming languages
> structure and syntax.
>
> When I came up with the Fruit Basket idea I didn't think of this kind of
> language maybe we should come up with another test program that instead of
> displaying a graphical interface does a lot of work like looping,
> conditionals, functions or methods, Not really to do anything important but
> to show what the language is like when using it.
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