Hi, all, Thought I'd start a new thread for this to keep things organized. In the "giving up on programming" thread, someone wrote that they wished there were a tutorial that could be used for progamming from a text editor and a command line. Here is one I have found that I am currently using to learn. I've managed to write three programs using this info. So far, nothing has been said aobut using buttons, forms or anything like that. The guy even suggests using a text editor and has a link for you to click on to select one. Here it is: http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ Like I said, it's working for me. I'm using Jaws 11.0, edSharp andMinGw. Another more involved tutorial that seems more targeted at experienced programmers transitioning to c++ from another language is Thinking in c++ by Bruce Eckles. It's available for free in html format from the link below. He's also got one for java and enterprise java. Here is the link: http://mindview.net/Books/DownloadSites Hope someone finds these links useful. I'd be interested in the opinions of those of you out there who've been doing this for years. If you get a moment, please have a look at these and tell me if they were worth the trouble or, if I need to look somewhere else. Thanks. Alex __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind