Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call for evaluations

  • From: Jared Wright <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 02:53:31 -0500

Firefox will be your go-to browser in two weeks. You heard it here first. Also try the Adblock extension, since half of the annoying things about navigating sites as a SR user are somehow tied to their ads. 

On 2/22/2011 11:27 AM, RicksPlace wrote:
Thanks guys: I think I'll look into firefox as a second browser tool for analysis purposes if nothing else. For now, after having changed my security settings according to one or 2 articles I lost the list of individual languages. Then I checked and had lost the ability to play youtube and hulu videos... So, I just clicked the Reset all Settings to Defaults button, I actually forget what the actual text was, and youtube, hulu and the list of individual languages that were lost on the Express Downloads Page are back working as before. 
Phew!
Well enough for now - not much progress but I'll think about firefox, should be no problem and make a good tool. Perhaps I can get some sighted help to see if they can do anything with the download page in ie8. 
Later guys and see you on the flip side.
Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:31 AM
Subject: RE: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call for evaluations 


Hi,
I don't know what's up with this, but I just went there and saw the Language combo with IE8 and JAWS 11. 

Jim

Jim Homme,
Usability Services,
Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace 
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:42 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call for evaluations 

Hi Guys: Well, I would try that but...
I tried going into tools>options and security tab. I set the internet to
the lowest level and tried the page - nothing. I tried to set it back and
now I don't even see the downloads for the blasted individual languages on 
the page. Could someone go to the following url and see if the individual
languages show up for download?
Here is the url and what I see on the page...
BeginCopiedStuff:
http://www.microsoft.com/express/
Microsoft Home
|
Server & Tools
English
express/
Search Microsoft.com
Search Microsoft.com
Home
Web
Windows
Phone
Database
Programs
Downloads
Resources
Support
Microsoft Express Downloads
Visual Studio 2010 Express
SQL Server 2008 R2 Express
Visual Studio 2008 Express
(c) 2010 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Terms of Use
|
Trademarks
|
Privacy Statement
Microsoft
DCSIMG
EndCopiedStuff:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:32 AM
Subject: RE: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call 
for evaluations


Hi Rick,
Maybe you can press Alt + N when that ping comes up and get that Information 
Bar menu thing.

Jim

Jim Homme,
Usability Services,
Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
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here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice


-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:03 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call 
for evaluations

Hi Jared: I have never used any software, pretty much, outside the MS
Family. So, I have used only IE versions. In the past I have had no problem 
with those active x popups but that ping does sound like the same sound I
would get if one of those little boxes would pop up during a notification of 
some sort that was the result of an active-x script. Good thinking, I had
forgotton about active-x stuff since I haven't seen any in quite awhile. I will check it out to see if I can either find anything Googling or if I can 
find some setting that might be blocking it or something. Perhaps I will
have to load up another browser and learn to use it if that doesn't work. It could be that since I run Windows xp and can't run the newer software that I 
don't have access to the newer html and css features of that site if it's
not set up to handle legacy code and IE8 can't handle the new code. Anyway, 
I'll do some poking around my system and Google to see if I find anything
interesting. That said, if I want to run another browser like FireFox, is it just a matter of downloading and installing something or is there allot of 
configuring, e-mail stuff and ports etc... to get it up and running?
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call 
for evaluations
I see that page in the browser after the download begins. So I think what's 
happening is since you're using IE Microsoft is trying to push their
download manager on you through an active-X script. It isn't readily
compatible with Firefox, so they just push you to a typical download
through HTTP. Have you tried it with any version of Firefox?
On 2/21/2011 5:04 PM, RicksPlace wrote:

Hi Jarrad: OK, followed those steps. After tabbing out of the Language
box I set to English, I heard a ping and a couple of clicks like a page
refreshing. The following page came up but I see no place to download
Visual Basic 2010 on it unless I am missing something.
http://www.microsoft.com/express/Downloads/87W7256K-0T322Q4X-PD0OU915/disclaimer.aspx 

Watch out, the above url wrapped in this post.
Now, i have IE8 so there might be a diference. I run Windoweyes 7.2 so
that should be fine. Also, did you install, I guess you did, the 4.0
Framework before the first time you tried the download? That shouldn/'t
make a diference but it might. I don't have it yet so might have to
install that first although it should just come up as a prerequisit
during the install if the process is consistent with past processes - at 
least I think that should be the case. Thanks for the step by step
though. It sounds like either IE8 is not working, I don't have something 
set properly in my system configuration or I need to install the 4.0
framework to get the download dialog to come up.
Thanks again for the step by step. It has narrowed the problem down to
the above senarios I believe.
Rick USA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Wright"
<wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a
call for evaluations



With Window Eyes 7.5 and Firefox 4 Beta 11:

1. Point your browser to http://www.microsoft.com/express/Downloads/
2. The third list is the links for all the different express editions:
visual basic, C#, C++, the offline ISO, windows phone dev tools, and the 
captions language interface pack.
3. Press enter on whichever you want, for this demonstration I'm going
to pick the ISO file.
4. Redraw the screen with Ins+\.
5. Navigate back to the same list and note that now there is additional 
text and a language combobox after the download you selected.
6. Press enter on this combobox, turning off browse mode.
7. Select your language in this combobox.
8. Once you tab away from that combobox with a language selected, the
download begins and you are presented with the save/open dialog.

Let me know if there's something I'm missing, I also am using the
Dreamspark program and so don't actually use these express editions. But 
they seem to download easily enough.
On 2/21/2011 5:41 AM, RicksPlace wrote:

Hi: OK, so all that clicking that goes on is the dynamic reformatting
of the screen. Now, I can redraw the screen as needed but could you do a step by step. I tried ssetting the language drop-down box to english and clicking the OnClick that said Visual Basic just above that box. I think I ReDrew the screen at that point but where is the actual button or link, what is it labeled, where I click to execute the download and 
bring up the standard download dialog if it still works that way. You
mention using another approach to downloading it. What is that
technique? Is it placing the cursor or mouse over something and right
clicking to bring up the list of options for the highlighted item on
the page? If so, what did you highlight and when? Ya, just a step by
step might help if you are having no problems or confusion with the
page so we can pick up on the process you describe in general.
Thanks:
Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Wright"
<wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a 
call for evaluations



I can download packages from MS's site. I'm not sure what's giving
everyone so much trouble. Just remember to redraw your screen to allow for the everchanging javascript events that fire while you go through 
the download process, assuming your screen reader is using a virtual
browsing buffer. And don't use their download manager, download direct 
through your web browser.
On 2/20/2011 10:24 PM, qubit wrote:

Everybody has trouble with that site -- well, anyone with a screen
reader.
Now we all know that a client with a screen reader is easy to
identify, so
perhaps M$ has decided to block blind users from getting certain
products...
Maybe the message is, "if you can find it, it is accessible." *smile* I'm actually glad I'm not the only one who wasted time battling that 
site.
Not that I want others to waste their time, it's just that I know
there
wasn't something simple I was missing.
Thanks to Jamal for downloading.
So Jamal, what is your secret? *smile*
--le



----- Original Message -----
From: "RicksPlace"<ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and 
a call
for evaluations
Hi Guys: What gives with Microsoft these days? I went to the download 
site
for the Express modules and it looks like carp! It looks like one of 
those
CMS sites with allot of links that do nothing - or at least seemingly 
so
with my screen reader. I just end up bouncing around from page to
page. I
clicked on the Visual Basic OnClick and had set the language to
English but
nothing but the screen dynamically doing things that did not seem to 
have
anything to do with downloads. Also links that said something like
Express/
... What the? Ya, Microsoft has not added any accessibility to their 
phone
OS and have been making a conserted effort to throw accessibility out 
the
window if they can. That page reads like a schizophrenic on acid and 
a pint
or 2. Well, I see the links you posted but really, Microsoft is going 
downhill since the Old Man left.
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "John J. Boyer"<john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and 
a call
for evaluations



John,
I think installing Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Express Edition will
install
the command-line compiler at this location by default:

c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\VC\bin\cl.exe

Jamal

On 2/20/2011 6:44 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:

Jamal,
Please refresh my memory. Does Visual C++ Express have command line 
cl,
nmake and so on? Is there documentation on making a dll?

Thanks,
John

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 02:30:16PM -0500, Jamal Mazrui wrote:

Due to the serious accessibility problems of the web page for
downloading Express Editions of Visual Studio 2010, I have now
posted
the installers for Visual Basic, Visual C#, and Visual C++ on my
web
site.  The Visual Web product is not included here because it
involves
more extensive pre-installation requirements.  These installers
retrieve
software directly from the Microsoft web site, so one obtains the 
same
components either way.

Visual Basic
http://EmpowermentZone.com/vb_web.exe

Visual C#
http://EmpowermentZone.com/vcs_web.exe

Visual C++
http://EmpowermentZone.com/vc_web.exe

These installers assume that version 4 of the .NET Framework is
installed. One way of installing it is via the GotNET utility,
available
at
http://EmpowermentZone.com/netsetup.exe

After installing a VS Express Edition, go to the Register dialog
off the
Help menu and choose the button to get a registration key online. 
After
signing into this Microsoft site, you can get a key from a
resulting web
page or email message.  Copy and paste that key into the
registration
dialog.

Let me suggest that this is a particularly good time for
evaluating how
well different screen readers work with Visual Studio, and
reporting
those observations.  The latest JAWS, NVDA, and Window-Eyes
versions are
all claiming VS support.  If we find that a screen reader works
better
than others in particular ways, the developers of competing screen readers may be motivated to address their weaknesses so that they 
can
distinguish themselves as offering the best -- or at least
equivalent --
VS support.

Jamal
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