Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call for evaluations

Hi Jared: I have never used any software, pretty much, outside the MS Family. So, I have used only IE versions. In the past I have had no problem with those active x popups but that ping does sound like the same sound I would get if one of those little boxes would pop up during a notification of some sort that was the result of an active-x script. Good thinking, I had forgotton about active-x stuff since I haven't seen any in quite awhile. I will check it out to see if I can either find anything Googling or if I can find some setting that might be blocking it or something. Perhaps I will have to load up another browser and learn to use it if that doesn't work. It could be that since I run Windows xp and can't run the newer software that I don't have access to the newer html and css features of that site if it's not set up to handle legacy code and IE8 can't handle the new code. Anyway, I'll do some poking around my system and Google to see if I find anything interesting. That said, if I want to run another browser like FireFox, is it just a matter of downloading and installing something or is there allot of configuring, e-mail stuff and ports etc... to get it up and running?

Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call for evaluations


I see that page in the browser after the download begins. So I think what's happening is since you're using IE Microsoft is trying to push their download manager on you through an active-X script. It isn't readily compatible with Firefox, so they just push you to a typical download through HTTP. Have you tried it with any version of Firefox?
On 2/21/2011 5:04 PM, RicksPlace wrote:
Hi Jarrad: OK, followed those steps. After tabbing out of the Language box I set to English, I heard a ping and a couple of clicks like a page refreshing. The following page came up but I see no place to download Visual Basic 2010 on it unless I am missing something.

http://www.microsoft.com/express/Downloads/87W7256K-0T322Q4X-PD0OU915/disclaimer.aspx

Watch out, the above url wrapped in this post.
Now, i have IE8 so there might be a diference. I run Windoweyes 7.2 so that should be fine. Also, did you install, I guess you did, the 4.0 Framework before the first time you tried the download? That shouldn/'t make a diference but it might. I don't have it yet so might have to install that first although it should just come up as a prerequisit during the install if the process is consistent with past processes - at least I think that should be the case. Thanks for the step by step though. It sounds like either IE8 is not working, I don't have something set properly in my system configuration or I need to install the 4.0 framework to get the download dialog to come up. Thanks again for the step by step. It has narrowed the problem down to the above senarios I believe.
Rick USA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call for evaluations


With Window Eyes 7.5 and Firefox 4 Beta 11:

1. Point your browser to http://www.microsoft.com/express/Downloads/
2. The third list is the links for all the different express editions: visual basic, C#, C++, the offline ISO, windows phone dev tools, and the captions language interface pack. 3. Press enter on whichever you want, for this demonstration I'm going to pick the ISO file.
4. Redraw the screen with Ins+\.
5. Navigate back to the same list and note that now there is additional text and a language combobox after the download you selected.
6. Press enter on this combobox, turning off browse mode.
7. Select your language in this combobox.
8. Once you tab away from that combobox with a language selected, the download begins and you are presented with the save/open dialog.

Let me know if there's something I'm missing, I also am using the Dreamspark program and so don't actually use these express editions. But they seem to download easily enough.
On 2/21/2011 5:41 AM, RicksPlace wrote:
Hi: OK, so all that clicking that goes on is the dynamic reformatting of the screen. Now, I can redraw the screen as needed but could you do a step by step. I tried ssetting the language drop-down box to english and clicking the OnClick that said Visual Basic just above that box. I think I ReDrew the screen at that point but where is the actual button or link, what is it labeled, where I click to execute the download and bring up the standard download dialog if it still works that way. You mention using another approach to downloading it. What is that technique? Is it placing the cursor or mouse over something and right clicking to bring up the list of options for the highlighted item on the page? If so, what did you highlight and when? Ya, just a step by step might help if you are having no problems or confusion with the page so we can pick up on the process you describe in general.
Thanks:
Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call for evaluations


I can download packages from MS's site. I'm not sure what's giving everyone so much trouble. Just remember to redraw your screen to allow for the everchanging javascript events that fire while you go through the download process, assuming your screen reader is using a virtual browsing buffer. And don't use their download manager, download direct through your web browser.
On 2/20/2011 10:24 PM, qubit wrote:
Everybody has trouble with that site -- well, anyone with a screen reader. Now we all know that a client with a screen reader is easy to identify, so perhaps M$ has decided to block blind users from getting certain products...
Maybe the message is, "if you can find it, it is accessible." *smile*
I'm actually glad I'm not the only one who wasted time battling that site. Not that I want others to waste their time, it's just that I know there
wasn't something simple I was missing.
Thanks to Jamal for downloading.
So Jamal, what is your secret? *smile*
--le



----- Original Message -----
From: "RicksPlace"<ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call
for evaluations


Hi Guys: What gives with Microsoft these days? I went to the download site for the Express modules and it looks like carp! It looks like one of those CMS sites with allot of links that do nothing - or at least seemingly so with my screen reader. I just end up bouncing around from page to page. I clicked on the Visual Basic OnClick and had set the language to English but nothing but the screen dynamically doing things that did not seem to have anything to do with downloads. Also links that said something like Express/ ... What the? Ya, Microsoft has not added any accessibility to their phone OS and have been making a conserted effort to throw accessibility out the window if they can. That page reads like a schizophrenic on acid and a pint
or 2. Well, I see the links you posted but really, Microsoft is going
downhill since the Old Man left.
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "John J. Boyer"<john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call
for evaluations


John,
I think installing Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Express Edition will install
the command-line compiler at this location by default:

c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\VC\bin\cl.exe

Jamal

On 2/20/2011 6:44 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
Jamal,

Please refresh my memory. Does Visual C++ Express have command line cl,
nmake and so on? Is there documentation on making a dll?

Thanks,
John

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 02:30:16PM -0500, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
Due to the serious accessibility problems of the web page for
downloading Express Editions of Visual Studio 2010, I have now posted the installers for Visual Basic, Visual C#, and Visual C++ on my web site. The Visual Web product is not included here because it involves more extensive pre-installation requirements. These installers retrieve software directly from the Microsoft web site, so one obtains the same
components either way.

Visual Basic
http://EmpowermentZone.com/vb_web.exe

Visual C#
http://EmpowermentZone.com/vcs_web.exe

Visual C++
http://EmpowermentZone.com/vc_web.exe

These installers assume that version 4 of the .NET Framework is
installed. One way of installing it is via the GotNET utility, available
at
http://EmpowermentZone.com/netsetup.exe

After installing a VS Express Edition, go to the Register dialog off the Help menu and choose the button to get a registration key online. After signing into this Microsoft site, you can get a key from a resulting web page or email message. Copy and paste that key into the registration
dialog.

Let me suggest that this is a particularly good time for evaluating how well different screen readers work with Visual Studio, and reporting those observations. The latest JAWS, NVDA, and Window-Eyes versions are all claiming VS support. If we find that a screen reader works better
than others in particular ways, the developers of competing screen
readers may be motivated to address their weaknesses so that they can distinguish themselves as offering the best -- or at least equivalent --
VS support.

Jamal
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