Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call for evaluations

With Window Eyes 7.5 and Firefox 4 Beta 11:

1. Point your browser to http://www.microsoft.com/express/Downloads/
2. The third list is the links for all the different express editions: visual basic, C#, C++, the offline ISO, windows phone dev tools, and the captions language interface pack. 3. Press enter on whichever you want, for this demonstration I'm going to pick the ISO file. 
4. Redraw the screen with Ins+\.
5. Navigate back to the same list and note that now there is additional text and a language combobox after the download you selected. 
6. Press enter on this combobox, turning off browse mode.
7. Select your language in this combobox.
8. Once you tab away from that combobox with a language selected, the download begins and you are presented with the save/open dialog.
Let me know if there's something I'm missing, I also am using the Dreamspark program and so don't actually use these express editions. But they seem to download easily enough. 
On 2/21/2011 5:41 AM, RicksPlace wrote:
Hi: OK, so all that clicking that goes on is the dynamic reformatting of the screen. Now, I can redraw the screen as needed but could you do a step by step. I tried ssetting the language drop-down box to english and clicking the OnClick that said Visual Basic just above that box. I think I ReDrew the screen at that point but where is the actual button or link, what is it labeled, where I click to execute the download and bring up the standard download dialog if it still works that way. You mention using another approach to downloading it. What is that technique? Is it placing the cursor or mouse over something and right clicking to bring up the list of options for the highlighted item on the page? If so, what did you highlight and when? Ya, just a step by step might help if you are having no problems or confusion with the page so we can pick up on the process you describe in general. 
Thanks:
Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call for evaluations
I can download packages from MS's site. I'm not sure what's giving everyone so much trouble. Just remember to redraw your screen to allow for the everchanging javascript events that fire while you go through the download process, assuming your screen reader is using a virtual browsing buffer. And don't use their download manager, download direct through your web browser. 
On 2/20/2011 10:24 PM, qubit wrote:
Everybody has trouble with that site -- well, anyone with a screen reader. Now we all know that a client with a screen reader is easy to identify, so perhaps M$ has decided to block blind users from getting certain products... 
Maybe the message is, "if you can find it, it is accessible." *smile*
I'm actually glad I'm not the only one who wasted time battling that site. 
Not that I want others to waste their time, it's just that I know there
wasn't something simple I was missing.
Thanks to Jamal for downloading.
So Jamal, what is your secret? *smile*
--le



----- Original Message -----
From: "RicksPlace"<ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call 
for evaluations
Hi Guys: What gives with Microsoft these days? I went to the download site for the Express modules and it looks like carp! It looks like one of those CMS sites with allot of links that do nothing - or at least seemingly so with my screen reader. I just end up bouncing around from page to page. I clicked on the Visual Basic OnClick and had set the language to English but nothing but the screen dynamically doing things that did not seem to have anything to do with downloads. Also links that said something like Express/ ... What the? Ya, Microsoft has not added any accessibility to their phone OS and have been making a conserted effort to throw accessibility out the window if they can. That page reads like a schizophrenic on acid and a pint 
or 2. Well, I see the links you posted but really, Microsoft is going
downhill since the Old Man left.
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "John J. Boyer"<john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Easy install of Visual Studio 2010 Express Editions, and a call 
for evaluations



John,
I think installing Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Express Edition will install 
the command-line compiler at this location by default:

c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\VC\bin\cl.exe

Jamal

On 2/20/2011 6:44 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:

Jamal,
Please refresh my memory. Does Visual C++ Express have command line cl, 
nmake and so on? Is there documentation on making a dll?

Thanks,
John

On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 02:30:16PM -0500, Jamal Mazrui wrote:

Due to the serious accessibility problems of the web page for
downloading Express Editions of Visual Studio 2010, I have now posted 
the installers for Visual Basic, Visual C#, and Visual C++ on my web
site. The Visual Web product is not included here because it involves more extensive pre-installation requirements. These installers retrieve software directly from the Microsoft web site, so one obtains the same 
components either way.

Visual Basic
http://EmpowermentZone.com/vb_web.exe

Visual C#
http://EmpowermentZone.com/vcs_web.exe

Visual C++
http://EmpowermentZone.com/vc_web.exe

These installers assume that version 4 of the .NET Framework is
installed. One way of installing it is via the GotNET utility, available 
at
http://EmpowermentZone.com/netsetup.exe
After installing a VS Express Edition, go to the Register dialog off the Help menu and choose the button to get a registration key online. After signing into this Microsoft site, you can get a key from a resulting web page or email message. Copy and paste that key into the registration 
dialog.
Let me suggest that this is a particularly good time for evaluating how 
well different screen readers work with Visual Studio, and reporting
those observations. The latest JAWS, NVDA, and Window-Eyes versions are all claiming VS support. If we find that a screen reader works better 
than others in particular ways, the developers of competing screen
readers may be motivated to address their weaknesses so that they can distinguish themselves as offering the best -- or at least equivalent -- 
VS support.

Jamal
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