RE: Cygwin, JAWS and NVDA

  • From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:11:10 -0500

Hi Alex,
I meant to say Emacspeak. Sorry.

Jim

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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:00 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Cygwin, JAWS and NVDA

A solution for you might be to get yourself a virtual copy of Linux
and run it within Vmware.  You can use the console with speakup or
yasr and Jaws will not interfere.  I am partial to Vinux but I am sure
this can be done with other flavors of Linux.  The key is to find one
that you can install onto the vm and configure without too much
trouble and without sighted assistance of any kind.  Then, you can
either telnet or ssh to the machine you need to get onto and it'll be
gravy from there.

You mentioned Emacs.  Another thing you might try is to figure out a
way to put Emacspeak onto your Cygwin.  I don't know how to begin to
tell you how to do this but, if you can manage it, you would have a
self-voicing Emacs which you can put jaws to sleep for and use m-x
shell to bring up a command line from which to open ssh.

This link might help get you started.  It is very old and out of date
so, things might be easier now:

http://home.vr-web.de/gerhard.stenzel/emacspeak/install-win32.html

Alex M




On 2/10/11, Øyvind Lode <oyvind@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> I can reproduce it but I'm not sure how to explain it.
> I tried Putty again just for fun but it's even worse than the Windows
> Console.
> Cursor tracking is horrible and because of that Putty is not usable.
>
> I also see the problem you explain but I have cursor tracking issues as well
> when using the Windows Console.
> But as I said not as bad as in Putty.
> This problem only occurs when I remote login to a Linux box from the Windows
> Console using the OpenSSH package (Cygwin).
>
> When I use the console locally with Emacs, gcc and general command-line use
> all is well.
>
> So what happens to cursor tracking after sshing into a Linux machine is
> beyond me.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Ken Perry
> [whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 19:02
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Cygwin, JAWS and NVDA
>
> Actually the problem is jaws tried to use the new console api in windows 7
> and broke everything.  They have fixed some of the problem and I can at
> least use cigwin with 11 and 12 without screaming now.  The only problem I
> have is when deleting characters it repeats the whole line on each
> character.  I will say though FS listened to me when I told them exactly
> what was wrong they fixed the problem with the console I had to have fixed
> so I could use it.  If you can reproduce the problem and explain it to them
> they will fix it.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 12:04 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Cygwin, JAWS and NVDA
>
> Cygwin is actually using the Windows Console (cmd.exe) by default.
> So, unfortunately JAWS does not work optimally with the Windows Console any
> more.
> However it used to work great - I started seeing this problem in JAWS 10.
> NVDA works great with the Console whether I'm working locally or ssh into a
> remote Linux box.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 9. februar 2011 17:32
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Cygwin, JAWS and NVDA
>
> Hi.
>
> I use open SSH with Supernova with out any problems.
> As far as I know SN just treats the ssh session as a normal console
> application. Is there a way in jaws to use the set of scripts for cmd.exe.
> This assumes that jaws works OK with normal console applications.
>
> Hth.
> Nick.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Øyvind Lode
> Sent: 09 February 2011 16:22
> To: Programming Blind
> Subject: Cygwin, JAWS and NVDA
>
> Hi all:
>
> I use Cygwin for C development on Windows.
> I also use OpenSSH on Cygwin to access Linux/UNIX machines from Windows.
>
> And the ssh part gives me a lot of headache.
> JAWS doesn't handle the console correctly when moving line by line or
> character by character.
> Some times it works but very often JAWS speaks the previous character and
> sometimes not speaks the character at all.
> Maybe I'm moving to fast?
>
> However NVDA handles the console very well.
>
> So, can anyone help me out creating a JAWS script to work around this?
> Or recommend a different ssh client?
>
> Another solution could be to silence JAWS when the console has focus (I know
> how to do this), but I can't figure out how to silence NVDA when the console
> is not the window that has focus.
>
> I mean put JAWS to sleep when the console has focus, then wake up NVDA to
> handle the console and put NVDA to sleep when I'm working in Outlook etc.
>
> I hope this makes sense.
>
>
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