Re: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO

I would advise spending time on web development with java on the server side. Either that or headless java development such as web services. Both directions can allow a person to grow into a very strong java developer with very marketable skill sets without fighting the constant battle of either swing accessibility or trying to gain skills in an API, swt, which may have somewhat limited acceptence in a large traditional java shop. Personally, I love swt; however, as a tech lead, I can't push it into a project here because it is not an accepted technology by our enterprise architects.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:02 AM
Subject: RE: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO


Hi Jay,
Would you advise someone new to Java to spend more time on Swing, SWT, or web?

Thanks.

Jim

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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 3:31 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO

Over the past couple of years, I have been involved in hiring java
developers several times. One of the things we have had trouble with is
finding people with swing experience. It seems that, while there are
certainly a number of applications still using swing heavily, a lot of java
development is moving away from swing based GUI interfaces to using web
based front-ends. Perhaps, Oracle thinks that a declining interest in using
swing as a UI means they don't need to spend as much effort on swing
accessibility but that thought path can certainly leave those of us who
still need access to heavily swing based apps in a spot.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Stanzel, Susan - Kansas City, MO" <susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 8:11 PM
Subject: RE: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO


Hi Listers,

I have not stepped into this until now. I would hope that needing government
contracts in the United States would have some affect on all this. I have
asked people about swing and I am told it isn't used very much because there
is newer technology out there. I am not an experienced Java programmer so
maybe the rest of you will know more than I do. I know we use Struts at my
building for creation of web projects. If I have just made a fool of myself,
it's not the first time and won't be the last. (grin).

Susie Stanzel

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:08 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO

hey, this is my usual line, "beat them into submission" lol

or hound,or pummel,  or...

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:14 AM
Subject: RE: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO


Wow, it only took like 15 emails on the subject, but finally the voice of
reason has made itself known.

Ken, I completely agree. Now is the time to pressure them into actually
not abandoning it.

Take care,
Sina

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 1:10 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO



If this is true then it's not time to tell people to stay away.  It's time
to get people to get active and start emailing and
calling them till they do support it.  If we stay away we lose what
accessibility was there.



Ken





From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Storm Dragon
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 11:09 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO



Hi,
I would not doubt it for one second. They dropped the ball on Linux
accessibility pretty much first thing when they took over Sun.
It's probably a good idea, if you have influence over software decisions,
to encourage companies, clients, and friends to stay far
far away from Oracle and their software. I was even going to get rid of
Open Office but fortunately the version used in Ubuntu is a
fork so not subject to them. unless, that is, they somehow manage to win
their evil attack on Google. If that happens, who knows who
they will attack next. Keep your fingers crossed, and maybe the open
source community will keep the Bridge going, Orca is still
alive and well after all.
Storm

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On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 08:15 +0530, prateek aggarwal wrote:


oh know,
i wish its just a rumor.
if its ever going to be true, i'll be so said.

regards,
prateek agarwal.



On 10/9/10, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I heard from a good source today that Oracle has decided to discontinue
support for the Java Access Bridge (and no alternative is planned).  I
would be glad to be convinced otherwise.  If anyone has information
regarding this topic, please share.

Jamal

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