RE: Creating an Operating System with speech included


Oh and there was one thing before Linus started his work I think it was
called minux b ut it wasn't multi user and it didn't really fit the unix
world which is one reason Linus started his own thing.  I love going out and
reading the computer history pages.

Ken

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:24 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included

Ok, good to know.
Do you know approximately when Unix started to work under PCS?

I guess when Linus Torvalds started to create Linux it wasn't possible to 
use Unix under a PC...

Octavian

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included


> hmm...
> Unix work very well on a x86 cpu family pc.
> I've used unixware.
> Also, the family bsd os are also unix (see freebsd).
> Regarding solaris it is a unix, a free Unix.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included
>
>
>> Well that's not good news. :-(
>> I've started to use Jaws from the version 3.6 or 3.8 or something like 
>> that, and if you say that Orca compares with Jaws 3.3, it means that it 
>> is even less advanced than what I thought.
>>
>> But OpenSolaris isn't Unix? It is just another distribution of Linux?
>>
>> In my mind I always associated Sun with Unix because I thought that SunOS

>> and Solaris are Unix operating systems, and I also thought that Unix work

>> only on Unix servers and workstations, and only Linux is a kind of Unix 
>> made for PC.
>>
>> But or I am wrong and Solaris is not Unix, or Sun fool us and use the 
>> same name of Solaris for 2 different operating systems, one of them 
>> beeing Unix and the other one beeing a Linux distribution.
>>
>> Can anyone make some light?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Octavian
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:39 PM
>> Subject: RE: Creating an Operating System with speech included
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Actually both orca linux and Solaris are about the same.  I would put 
>>> them
>>> around Jaws 3.3 access right now.  I run Ubuntu because it's the easiest

>>> to
>>> get working on my laptop.  I also run Redhat 9 on my server and have no
>>> troubles with it if you don't mind hacking a bit.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian 
>>> Rasnita
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 6:50 AM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included
>>>
>>> That's good news. Does OpenSolaris and Orca offer a better accessibility
>>> than Windows with Jaws?
>>>
>>> Or at least does it offer a better accessibility than Ubuntu with Orca?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Octavian
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included
>>>
>>>
>>>> yes, solaris is a unix platform and it suports orca.
>>>> at least for x86 cpu family
>>>> i've worked with solaris 10,
>>>> i've downloaded it from sun site for free.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:01 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but I think you don't know what you are talking about.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, I didn't say that Jaws is a Microsoft program. I said only that
>>>>> the best accessibility is offered by Windows and Jaws and not by Orca 
>>>>> and
>>>>> Linux, but not even the comparison between these 2 is important, but 
>>>>> the
>>>>> fact that it is very hard to create another OS with another screen 
>>>>> reader
>>>>> built in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Second, I know that Orca works with Linux, but Sun doesn't pretend 
>>>>> that
>>>>> they've created the most advanced Linux OS, but that they've created
>>>>> Solaris, the most advanced OS.
>>>>> However, Solaris is not accessible for the blind, or it is accessible 
>>>>> but
>>>>> only by using emacspeak, which has a very ugly interface and offers a
>>>>> poor accessibility anyway, and I haven't tested Solaris so I don't 
>>>>> really
>>>>> know if it really supports emacspeak or it is just a future plan for 
>>>>> Sun.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, have anyone tried Solaris?
>>>>>
>>>>> Octavian
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:39 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> don't forget that jaws is not a microsoft software and, taking 
>>>>>> software
>>>>>> only from the two grand companies, sun is better than microsoft.
>>>>>> Because, with orca you can do more than with narator from windows.
>>>>>> So Sun has right assuming it as the best company offering an advanced

>>>>>> os
>>>>>> with speak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:08 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Creating an Operating System with speech included
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Windows is an operating system with speech included. Do you want to
>>>>>>> create a
>>>>>>> better OS than Windows and a better screen reader than Narrator?
>>>>>>> I guess you want to create a better one, because otherwise... why
>>>>>>> bother?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In order to do that, you should create a company, employ a few
>>>>>>> thousands of
>>>>>>> good programmers and after very many years you might do it.
>>>>>>> Sun Microsystems has tens of thousands of programmers and they 
>>>>>>> pretend
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> they have created the most advanced operating system in the world, 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> have also made one of the most used screen readers for Linux, but 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> accessibility offered by their solutions is much lower than the one
>>>>>>> offered
>>>>>>> by Windows and screen readers like Jaws, and Sun work on their OS 
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> many years, so... it could be very hard to do what you want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Octavian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: "Jose Lomeli" <jose.lomeli93@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 10:05 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Creating an Operating System with speech included
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello; Listers, I just thought.  What do I have to do to create a
>>>>>>>> operating system with speech.  I just thought about this.  Can this

>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> done? Please write back.
>>>>>>>> From Jose Lomeli.
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