Re: Calculating a Kilobyte
- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:28:55 +0200
I didn't make the calculation, but if it was good, then the defragmentation
doesn't change anything.
The defragmentation would change things only if more than one cluster of a
file is occupied only partially.
In that case, the content from other clusters will be moved to fill all the
clusters of the file entirely, and leave eventually only one cluster
partially occupied.
Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: "E.J. Zufelt" <everett@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: Calculating a Kilobyte
Question:
How does defragging change the fact that the last block only consists of 1
byte?
Everett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: Calculating a Kilobyte
That is, until one defrags.
Take care,
Sina
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black ares
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:11 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Calculating a Kilobyte
you are right, but as anyone said,
a block has a fixed size and a file can niot fill all of its bloks
if you have the block size 4096 bytes
and you have a file of 12289 bytes you will have 4 bloks
but only a byte from the 4th block will be used, the rest of 4095 will be
free, but no other file can use them because this is a block of the
specified file.
so infact the file will have on the hdd 16384 bytes.
----- Original Message -----
From: "tribble" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: Calculating a Kilobyte
Don't you mean data is stored in blocks of a fixed size? Or is there a
new
paradigm since my active time on this stuff? A block was a multiple of a
kilobyte. A file was so many blocks. The blocks didn't need to be
contiguous. The mapping to blocks was completely transparent to the end
user.
Sina -- you're still in academia studying the current state of data
storage.
I have not runto anything referring to blocks on windows, so maybe it
was
just a unix-ism.
Anyone have an idea what the truth is? Just curious.
TIA
--le
----- Original Message -----
From: "E.J. Zufelt" <everett@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Calculating a Kilobyte
Also,
On a harddrive there is used space, free space and wasted space. Since
information is stored on a disk in sectors there are times that a small
amount of information takes up a large amount of space.
For instance, a file that is 123 bytes in size may take up 4096 bytes
because two files cannot be stored in the same sector.
The rule is that a single file can be stored in many sectors, but two
files
cannot be stored in any one sector.
HTH,
Everett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:17 PM
Subject: RE: Calculating a Kilobyte
You're being caught by the fact that harddrive manufacturers measure a
megabyte as 1,000,000 bytes, and your 188 gigabytes is being given to
you
in
terms of a gigabyte being 1,024 megabytes which are 1,024 killabytes
which
are 1,024 bytes.
Take care,
Sina
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hayden's
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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:01 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Calculating a Kilobyte
I have an external USB Hard Drive. That says ihave 188GB free. The
kilobytes
are 202,016,489,472. Dividing this by 188GB, gives 1,074,555,795. Huh?
I
thought 1MB was 1,024,576.
Angus MacKinnon
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Question:How does defragging change the fact that the last block only consists of 1 byte?
Everett----- Original Message ----- From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:13 PM Subject: RE: Calculating a Kilobyte
That is, until one defrags. Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black ares Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:11 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Calculating a Kilobyte you are right, but as anyone said, a block has a fixed size and a file can niot fill all of its bloks if you have the block size 4096 bytes and you have a file of 12289 bytes you will have 4 bloks but only a byte from the 4th block will be used, the rest of 4095 will be free, but no other file can use them because this is a block of the specified file. so infact the file will have on the hdd 16384 bytes.----- Original Message ----- From: "tribble" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:08 AM Subject: Re: Calculating a KilobyteDon't you mean data is stored in blocks of a fixed size? Or is there a newparadigm since my active time on this stuff? A block was a multiple of a kilobyte. A file was so many blocks. The blocks didn't need to be contiguous. The mapping to blocks was completely transparent to the end user. Sina -- you're still in academia studying the current state of data storage.I have not runto anything referring to blocks on windows, so maybe it wasjust a unix-ism. Anyone have an idea what the truth is? Just curious. TIA --le----- Original Message ----- From: "E.J. Zufelt" <everett@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Calculating a Kilobyte Also, On a harddrive there is used space, free space and wasted space. Since information is stored on a disk in sectors there are times that a small amount of information takes up a large amount of space. For instance, a file that is 123 bytes in size may take up 4096 bytes because two files cannot be stored in the same sector. The rule is that a single file can be stored in many sectors, but two files cannot be stored in any one sector. HTH, Everett----- Original Message ----- From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: RE: Calculating a KilobyteYou're being caught by the fact that harddrive manufacturers measure amegabyte as 1,000,000 bytes, and your 188 gigabytes is being given to youin terms of a gigabyte being 1,024 megabytes which are 1,024 killabytes which are 1,024 bytes. Take care, Sina -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hayden's Harness Attachment Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:01 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Calculating a Kilobyte I have an external USB Hard Drive. That says ihave 188GB free. The kilobytesare 202,016,489,472. Dividing this by 188GB, gives 1,074,555,795. Huh? Ithought 1MB was 1,024,576. Angus MacKinnon Infoforce Services http://www.infoforce-services.com "Faith is the strength by which a shattered world shall emerge into the light." - Helen Keller __________ View the list's information and change your settings at http://www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at http://www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at http://www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at http://www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at http://www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at http://www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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