Hi,
I see. The best books for looking at data structs would be (from
OReilly and obtained from Bookshare):
* Practical C++ Programming - which provides some code segments, which
helped me learn basic theory behind class design.
* Mastering Algorithms in C: Some concepts behind things like
quicksort and other useful ones. Uses C code, but easily adaptable to
CPP.
* Data Structures and Algorithms in Java
and
Java Cookbook - useful as a reference for Java code and how to do data
structs with it.
Cheers,
Joseph
----- Original Message -----
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:13:02 -0700
Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features
in thelanguage
Joseph: that makes sense now; I hope my last message didn't come across
as rude, i was just curious. I was kind of trying to figure out where
you were, since Sina's idea was totally different from your own. I agree
with you that learning more languages is always useful; it's good to
learn different languages. When I say "learn" a language, I mean be able
to quickly develop in it, understand the stdlib that it uses, etc, as
well as employ the techniques. For example, Java programmers tend to use
different techniques than c++ will. Learning more programming languages
in a sense is kind of like learning another language, with less
enlightenment; it changes how you think about, approach and solve
programming solutions. Maybe some Java techniques may not work in c++,
but you learn a bit with each language that you can apply across the
board.
On a side note; I would like to learn how to work with those data
structures; I haven't hit the class, but I've been keeping an eye out
for a good book that will help out. A lot of the info I've found so far
uses a lot of pictures, which makes things a bit dificult.
On 3/9/2011 10:06 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
The point was learning to implement data structs using two or more
different languages (my apologies if it sounded different).
I thought I heard you saying you wanted to learn hash tables.
Basically, my instructor told me to shift six bits to the left (from
32) to create mapping for possible ASCII characters.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 21:40:38 -0700
Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features
in thelanguage
I'm kind of confused what this has to do with anything, though it is
late, my head hurts and I've got a lot to get through. What does your
bit manipulation hash have to do with it? Why do I get referenced there?
More to the point, what does your point say? Sina basically said
programing languages are just a jumble of text, and it doesn't matter
whether or not you know it, as long as you know trees and graphs and all
the shiny data structures. You're saying that it's good to know two
different languages (which again invalidates his point), and you had a
bit in there about where c++ was used, which doesn't click with his c++
is 10 years to late and useless because we have high-level languages now.
On 3/9/2011 5:08 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
I agree with Sina on this point. The thing is, languages are created
to either solve a specific problem or to be used on specific devices
or OS platform. C++ is still a language of choice for some
developers, but there are others out there which simplifies
development effort at the cost of not knowing the insides of what's
happening at the machine level.
Personally, I'd prefer learning the equivalent syntax of two or more
languages and how they differ before diving into advanced concepts
like trees and tables (and yes, Tyler, I learned how to write hash
function with bit manipulation). But, as I can say from experience,
it is better to understand what's going on rather than the word
description of what you are doing - for instance, you don't want to
mess around with graph creation unless if you know how edges are
represented (I prefer lists since they are easy to use than matrices,
but matrix makes more sense from graphics point of view).
That's all - JMO.
Cheers,
Joseph
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:54:49 -0500
Subject: RE: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features
in the language
Man, am I glad medicine sure doesn't work that way.
But hey, *smile*, I'm sure doctors would love to not learn anything
new, *grin*.
This is my personal advice, so take it or leave it.
Every single language specific thing you learn is worth nothing more
than the fleeting bits used to represent the ascii characters
explaining it to you. It is nothing more than syntactic garbage
taking up space in your head.. this has been true for the past 60 to
70 years, and it will be true for the next 70 years.
That's why you should concentrate on learning concepts. Who cares if
you can write a binary tree in C++, if you can't also write it,
after only glancing at a reference manual for 10 minutes, in 25 other
languages.
languages come and go, but concepts hardly change.
So, you can either focus and obsess on the 2011 specific stuff, or the
stuff that has been true ever since Charles Babbage made his
difference engine over a century ago.
And for you ladies out there, yes I'm aware that Ada Lovelace actually
did all the hard work, *grin*.
Take care,
Sina
Take care,
Sina
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:48 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features
in the language
Well, I'm glad the language has held still over the years. I'm stil a
novice in this language and I'm glad I don't have to be so worried
about my book or tutorial containing obselete code as I would be for
Java. You can still take a c++ book written in 2004 or 2005 or
something like that and use it to learn with. Unless I'm mistaken,
you can't do this with c# or Java. I tried looking at Java a few
months back and kept finding all these books that seemed to have a
bunch of things you had to change with subsequent versions of Java.
So, I for one am glad too much change hasn't come too quickly to it.
Alex M
On 3/9/11, Sina Bahram <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Fine, seriously belated, delayed, and not as useful as it would have
been 10
years ago.
Take car,e
Sina
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
Tyler
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:39 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features
in the
language
But it wasn't. This is a long time in coming, but it doesn't make it
useless.
On 3/9/2011 3:41 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:
Wow, how many decades has it been?
Oh well, better later than never, or something, I'm sure.
Sorry, this is kind of useless.
This should have been done in 1999.
Take care,
Sina
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 5:17 PM
To: programmingblind
Subject: Bjarne Stroustrup talks about c++ and upcoming features in the
language
http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/media/C++0x%20-%20An%20Overview.html
Fascinating video from the man himself. Interesting to hear his
voice. For those who don't know, Bjarne Stroustrup is the man who
invented c++. The language was originally called c with classes but
then, he changed the name to c++ because in c, the ++ means
incremental addition.
Enjoy,
Alex M
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