Re: Best Java Guides for a Newby?

Hello,
I got it to work! :D
After typing:
C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_26.bin.javac.exe
and changing it to just
javac
then finally removing 
.javac.exe
all together I was finally able to get my HelloWorldApp to compile!
Thank you so much, now back to the guides!

Brandon Keith Biggs

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From: Jared Wright 
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:00 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: Re: Best Java Guides for a Newby?


There are two lists of environment variables. One will be labeled "User 
Variables for MyUser", where MyUser is the name of the Windows user. The second 
list will be labeled "System Variables". IN this list you will see an item 
called path. Note that there is also one called pathext, leave that one alone. 
Once you've focused the path variable, press Alt+I or tab to the 'edit' button 
and press space to activate it. You'll then be in an edit box containing the 
value of the variable. IN this case, the variable is a series of directories, 
separated by semicolons. When you execute a command in the command prompt, 
Windows will look in all the directories listed in this variable for the 
executable file. You want to add the directory where your Java executable is 
located to the end of this list. Then no matter what the working directory is 
in your command prompt, you can type "javac myclass.java" and "java myclass" to 
compile and run the Java class.
On 7/8/2011 1:24 AM, Brandon Keith (Biggs) wrote: 
  Hello,
  I did these and when I got to the advanced prompt I saw a ton of stuff, but I 
hit edit on the thing that said:
  QTJAVAC:\....
  I actually think I might have messed something up... And if I did, I'm not 
sure how to fix it... I remember it pointed to a .zip file in my .Java folder...
  I re-read the instructions trying to figure out what number  5 was saying, 
and I saw the one called "System" but there are a ton of file extensions on it 
and when I click edit I can't reach them. It's just a blank field.
  Do I type:
  C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_26\bin\javac.exe
  ?
  Or just:
  C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_26\bin
  ?
  Thanks,

  Brandon Keith Biggs

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  From: Homme, James 
  Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:48 AM
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Subject: RE: Best Java Guides for a Newby?


  Hi Brandon,

  Here are mouse oriented instructions. You should be able to use the tab key 
to get to and change the settings.

   

  1. Click Start and choose Control Panel

  2. In the Search box on the top right of the window type "system path" (no 
quotes)

  3. Click "Edit the system environment variables"

  4. The Advanced tab of the System Properties dialog box is shown. Click the 
Environment Variables button on the bottom right.

  5. In the lower box titled "System Variables" scroll down to Path and click 
the Edit button.

  6. Change your path as need be.

  7. Restart your system. 

   

  Jim

   

  From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith 
(Biggs)
  Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 1:38 PM
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: Re: Best Java Guides for a Newby?

   

  OK, I was able to get the command prompt to work!

  I had to type:

  "C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_26\bin\javac.exe" HelloWorld.java

  That created the .class file.

   

  Now, I see that I can "set the path permanently" but the instructions were 
not written for Vista.

  
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/documentation/install-windows-152927.html

   

  1.    Click Start > Control Panel > System on Windows XP or Start > Settings 
> Control Panel > System on Windows 2000. 

  2.    Click Advanced > Environment Variables. 

  3.    Add the location of bin folder of JDK installation for PATH in User 
Variables and System Variables. A typical value for PATH is: 

C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_<version>\bin4.    

  I have nothing called Advanced > Environment Variables

  I went to advanced and all I have is:

  View information about your computer and change settings for hardware, 
performance and remote connections

  configure advanced user profile properties

  view advanced system settings

  color management

  change advanced color options

  search windows help and support for advanced

   

  I'd rather not type out such a large file path every time I want to use 
javac...

  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

  Thanks,

   

  Brandon Keith Biggs

   

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  From: Sina Bahram 

  Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:17 AM

  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

  Subject: RE: Best Java Guides for a Newby?

   

  Right, but I was saying your example makes using a particular sdk easier to 
use. The question was aimed at knowing the difference between a class and a 
method, or knowing that the parenthesis matter, and so on, not figuring out the 
difference between toString to toLower

   

  One is using an SDK, the other is learning the language in the first place 
before one uses the SDK of choice, whether it's java's or android's or whatever.

   

  Take care,

  Sina

   

  From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
  Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:40 AM
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: RE: Best Java Guides for a Newby?

   

  Um what does sdk have to do with it if you use it to find out what the base 
object of java has in it?  Sure my example was talking about an sdk but all the 
base classes work the same.

   

  For example if I have string and want to know how to format something its 
there.

   

   

  Ken

   

  From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
  Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:51 AM
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: RE: Best Java Guides for a Newby?

   

  That's not learning a language Ken, that's learning an SDK, which implies one 
already knows how to use the language.

   

  I think you should start off with text as well, so that six months later you 
aren't asking basic questions like why doesn't this class run, because you 
never had to put a mian method in it since Eclipse always did that for you, 
etc. etc.

   

  Of course, that implies that you actually want to learn the fundamentals of 
the language, and not just code.

   

  Take care,

  Sina

   

  From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
  Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 7:17 AM
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: RE: Best Java Guides for a Newby?

   

  I have to disagree with this.  There is nothing like using eclipse when 
you're learning a language.  Let's say you are in Android and need to make an 
Application.  Ok so you start it up and there is an Activity class.  You're in 
your text editor what do you do?

   

  You go out on line or into a document and try to read up on all the possible 
functions you can run in an activity.   Not bad but why not make it quicker.

   

  Just arrow to your myactivity and use the source menu and go down and select 
override members.  Then you can arrow through the list of things you have that 
you can do in that class.  You check a few and tab down and hit ok.  Now you 
have 6 stub functions that work perfect.  You then go down to the keydown 
function that you just added  and arrow over keyEvent and select help it tells 
you all the functions  

   

  Eclipse and Visual studio are  not just environments but they are  great 
learning tools.  Not to mention learning the environment now with an easy 
program will  speed up both development of a harder program but it also teaches 
you how to download other peoples projects and get them running.  

   

  Heck for that matter if you don't use eclipse you have to learn another way 
to compile your project.  Which normally means you start compiling at the 
command line with javac.  That sounds easy but how many of you have tried this 
and ran into the java path problems.  That is not something you want to get a 
new user into right away.  Then if you want to get real bold and use ant as a 
new programmer you better have a lot of antacid.

   

  So I guess in short I just wanted to say sure Eclipse is a big pig but the 
gains for a new coder is pretty high if you learn to use it.  Now if you're on 
a Mac sorry to hear it while I like Mac I have not been impressed with the 
amount of work I had to go through to get Eclipse set up.  I use it on both Mac 
and Windows but I will tell you there is nothing like Eclipse and Jaws 12.  I 
use no scripts and do just fine.

   

  Ken

   

  From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
  Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:49 AM
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: RE: Best Java Guides for a Newby?

   

  Hi Brandon,

  This is my opinion, so take with a grain of salt. Right at the beginning with 
Java, I feel that you should use a text editor. Personally, I prefer EdSharp, 
but there  are lots of good ones. Learn to use the command line tools that come 
with the Java Development Kit. After you have written some programs, and you 
know what's going on with basic Java, start to use something like Eclipse or 
Net Beans. I have no experience with SodBeans, but I understand that that 
package for NetBeans is making a big difference in NetBeans accessibility. So 
scrap fancy editors for now.

   

  Jim

   

  From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith 
(Biggs)
  Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 12:17 AM
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: Re: Best Java Guides for a Newby?

   

  Thanks and I started reading those, the only problem is I use Eclipse and 
these talk about the Netbeans IDE which I think it is inaccessible. 

  My big question is: What are all the differences in the different things you 
can create with the new menu in Eclipse? There are like projects, classes, Java 
projects and all kinds of other things that aren't really talked about with 
Java.

  Thanks,

   

  Brandon Keith Biggs

   

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  From: Homme, James 

  Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:36 AM

  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

  Subject: RE: Best Java Guides for a Newby?

   

  Hi,

  I think that, as with many things, this is one of those things that can be 
different, depending on the learning style and knowledge of the person. 

   

  Speaking just for myself, I get more out of tutorial style books, when I'm 
learning a language. I tend to freeze up at reference type material that is 
full of code and short on words, but that's my taste. 

   

  According to me, you will probably do well with the nutshell books, if you 
already know lots of programming concepts and want to see how certain things 
are done in Java. On the other hand, you may do better if you have little 
programming experience by looking at the Java Tutorial, which takes things a 
concept at a time and explains them with lots of words and examples. You can 
see that at http://download.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/reallybigindex.html. 

   

  Thanks.

   

  Jim 

   

  From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
  Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:30 PM
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: Re: Best Java Guides for a Newby?

   

  I would recommend if you have a subscription to bookshare.org, that you 
download a copy of "Java in a Nutshell".  It is a nice summary of features with 
some examples.  I was going to read "Thinking in Java, 4th edition", which I 
forked $25 for online, but got a package that I cann't display on my system.  I 
have been unable to read more than the preface, and most the time, the html 
just freezes things.  So I'm pitching it.  A shame as it sounds like a useful 
guide to using java the way it is meant to be used.

   

  Online there are also common tasks implemented in java, which you can find in 
http://commons.apache.org/

  Good luck and happy hacking.

  --le

   

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Florian Beijers 

    To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

    Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:44 AM

    Subject: Re: Best Java Guides for a Newby?

     

    Hello Brandon, 

     

    Do you have any form of IM or perhaps skype? I would like to help you but 
it's easier for me to recommend something if i know a bit more about your 
background. 

     

    Florian

    On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Brandon Keith (Biggs) wrote:

     

    Hello,

    I'm new to programming, (I have just made it past "Hello World") and am 
looking for some guides.

    I would like to learn Java, but I'm not quite sure where to start. I 
downloaded the 500 or so documents from the "Java Documentation" at:

    http://www.nonvisualdevelopment.org/node/20

    as well as reading all the tutorials on Eclipse and Java.

    I've installed the SDK 1.6 and Eclipse, is there anything else I need? I 
see there are Jaws scripts for Eclipse, where do I insert those?

    I arrowed through the 500 documents dealing with Java and found:

    Java Tutorial 3rd Edition, a short course on the basics

    but I see it was written in 2001 and only deals with Java 1.3 and Windows 
2000 and before. Is this something I should read? What books best describe the 
language in an exciting and useful format? I'm wanting to eventually program 
for Android, but I think that is stepping a little ahead of myself.

    Where do I start?

    Thanks,

     

    Brandon Keith Biggs

     

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