I'm using Jaws 11 on Windows Vista 32 Bit. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs Check out MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs Also add me on facebook! brandonkeith http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=675097942 And for my resume go to: http://www.sfcasting.com/brandonkeith From: Ken Perry Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 8:08 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Best Java Guides for a Newby? What are you using as a screen reader? From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith (Biggs) Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:59 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Best Java Guides for a Newby? That is what I would like to do, but I can't get javac to work on my machine no matter what I do, so I'm really not sure if I'm able to use a text editor? Also the "Run" client on Windows doesn't allow me to read the output window. I have no idea now to fix either of these problems, and these weren't troubleshot in the manual. Is Netbeans accessible? Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs Check out MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs Also add me on facebook! brandonkeith http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=675097942 And for my resume go to: http://www.sfcasting.com/brandonkeith From: Homme, James Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 3:48 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Best Java Guides for a Newby? Hi Brandon, This is my opinion, so take with a grain of salt. Right at the beginning with Java, I feel that you should use a text editor. Personally, I prefer EdSharp, but there are lots of good ones. Learn to use the command line tools that come with the Java Development Kit. After you have written some programs, and you know what's going on with basic Java, start to use something like Eclipse or Net Beans. I have no experience with SodBeans, but I understand that that package for NetBeans is making a big difference in NetBeans accessibility. So scrap fancy editors for now. Jim From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith (Biggs) Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 12:17 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Best Java Guides for a Newby? Thanks and I started reading those, the only problem is I use Eclipse and these talk about the Netbeans IDE which I think it is inaccessible. My big question is: What are all the differences in the different things you can create with the new menu in Eclipse? There are like projects, classes, Java projects and all kinds of other things that aren't really talked about with Java. Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs Check out MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs Also add me on facebook! brandonkeith http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=675097942 And for my resume go to: http://www.sfcasting.com/brandonkeith From: Homme, James Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:36 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Best Java Guides for a Newby? Hi, I think that, as with many things, this is one of those things that can be different, depending on the learning style and knowledge of the person. Speaking just for myself, I get more out of tutorial style books, when I'm learning a language. I tend to freeze up at reference type material that is full of code and short on words, but that's my taste. According to me, you will probably do well with the nutshell books, if you already know lots of programming concepts and want to see how certain things are done in Java. On the other hand, you may do better if you have little programming experience by looking at the Java Tutorial, which takes things a concept at a time and explains them with lots of words and examples. You can see that at http://download.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/reallybigindex.html. Thanks. Jim From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:30 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Best Java Guides for a Newby? I would recommend if you have a subscription to bookshare.org, that you download a copy of "Java in a Nutshell". It is a nice summary of features with some examples. I was going to read "Thinking in Java, 4th edition", which I forked $25 for online, but got a package that I cann't display on my system. I have been unable to read more than the preface, and most the time, the html just freezes things. So I'm pitching it. A shame as it sounds like a useful guide to using java the way it is meant to be used. Online there are also common tasks implemented in java, which you can find in http://commons.apache.org/ Good luck and happy hacking. --le ----- Original Message ----- From: Florian Beijers To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:44 AM Subject: Re: Best Java Guides for a Newby? Hello Brandon, Do you have any form of IM or perhaps skype? I would like to help you but it's easier for me to recommend something if i know a bit more about your background. Florian On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Brandon Keith (Biggs) wrote: Hello, I'm new to programming, (I have just made it past "Hello World") and am looking for some guides. I would like to learn Java, but I'm not quite sure where to start. I downloaded the 500 or so documents from the "Java Documentation" at: http://www.nonvisualdevelopment.org/node/20 as well as reading all the tutorials on Eclipse and Java. I've installed the SDK 1.6 and Eclipse, is there anything else I need? I see there are Jaws scripts for Eclipse, where do I insert those? I arrowed through the 500 documents dealing with Java and found: Java Tutorial 3rd Edition, a short course on the basics but I see it was written in 2001 and only deals with Java 1.3 and Windows 2000 and before. Is this something I should read? What books best describe the language in an exciting and useful format? I'm wanting to eventually program for Android, but I think that is stepping a little ahead of myself. Where do I start? Thanks, Brandon Keith Biggs Check out MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/brandonkeithbiggs Also add me on facebook! brandonkeith http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=675097942 And for my resume go to: http://www.sfcasting.com/brandonkeith -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are intended solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not keep, use, disclose, copy or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior permission. The views expressed in this e-mail message do not necessarily represent the views of Highmark Inc., its subsidiaries, or affiliates.