RE: [BULK] Re: Commodo
- From: "Sean Farrow" <sean.farrow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:50:49 -0000
Hi:
For foreign characters, mathematics and science see if the following
helps from the freedom scientific website:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_support/BulletinView.cfm?QC=1066
Sean.
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
Sent: 01 November 2007 01:57
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [BULK] Re: Commodo
Importance: Low
I know you've mentioned this JAWS problem before. It surprises me that
JAWS continues to be worse with special characters ever since JAWS 6. I
know that software sometimes takes a step back in an area while other
features are being added, but I would think that Freedom Scientific has
to correct such a problem for international customers. What does it say
about the issue?
Jamal
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Octavian
Rasnita wrote:
> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:25:07 +0200
> From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Commodo
>
> Jaws 7, 8, and probably 9 don't work well with any application if the
> users need to use special chars in other languages, so it wouldn't be
> an advantage, because I've seen that Commodo also miss some features,
> not only accessibility features.
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aaron Leventhal" <aaronlev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 8:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Commodo
>
>
> > Hi Octavian,
> >
> > I just saw at the end of this that you are using JAWS 6.
> > Unfortunately JAWS only started making Mozilla technologies
> > accessible since something like JAWS 7.1
> >
> > You ask if Firefox is the same. I would say no -- we (largely
> > myself) have put a large amount of effort specifically into making
> > Firefox itself accessible. No such effort has yet gone into Komodo
> > (note -- it's spelled with a K and one M).
> >
> > It would be great to find out if more recent versions of JAWS (such
> > as the JAWS 9 beta) work better with Komodo.
> >
> > - Aaron
> >
> > Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have installed again Commodo and here is what I found:
> >>
> >> 1. If I press Insert+num pad minus in order to route the Jaws
> >> cursor to the PC cursor, sometimes the menu is activated, but only
sometimes.
> >>
> >> 2. I needed to use the Jaws cursor, because right after starting
> >> Commodo, the editor is not accessible. I expected to press
> >> Insert+Tab and hear "edit", but instead I heard something more
strange.
> >>
> >> 3. I opened the File menu, and I selected "New" and I pressed enter
> >> and in that moment I've seen that the new option has a submenu
> >> which is not announced by Jaws. Does Commodo need some special
> >> scripts which are not provided by Jaws 6? I am using Jaws 6 because
> >> the Eloquence from newer versions of Jaws doesn't read the special
chars correctly.
> >>
> >> 4. I chosen to create a new file and it appeared a list with file
> >> formats, telling "Templates list Text 20 of 22, -85004040 of 0"...
> >> or a closed number.
> >>
> >> I've noticed that the FruitBasket program made by Jamal with XUL
> >> works the same, telling that garbage with minus 85000000 of 0.
> >>
> >> 5. After choosing "Perl file" and pressing enter, it created a new
> >> tab named "perl1.pl" or something like that. I cannot read the
> >> exact title of the tab, because I cannot use the Jaws cursor well
> >> in Commodo. If I route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor, I see that
the menus are activated.
> >>
> >> 6. Another problem I've seen is because If I just move the Jaws
> >> cursor, a menu seems to activate itself without needing any click.
> >> This is very bad, because I can't read the screen with the Jaws
cursor.
> >> Anything I do, I cannot read the titles of tab pages with the Jaws
> >> cursor.
> >>
> >> 7. Now in the editing area, if I press Insert+tab, instead of
> >> telling me "edit" like most text editors, it tells me a very long
> >> string which is not nice at all".
> >> Do I need to change the Windows Class of the editing area? I think
> >> I'll try this. (I also need to change the highlight color
> >> assignment, because if I select a text in the editor, Jaws cannot
read that text).
> >>
> >> 8. I've tried changing something in the file then save it. I've
> >> seen that the "Save as" window doesn't allow us choosing the
> >> encoding of the file (which is not very important to be right here)
> >> but it also don't allow us to choose the end of line format in
> >> which we want to save the file (Unix/Win/Mac), and this is
> >> important to be right here, at least for me. This is not a bug, but
just a missing feature.
> >>
> >> 9. Sometimes if I press Control+Home in the editing area in order
> >> to move the cursor at the beginning of the file, Jaws tells me
> >> "File, Edit, Code... the name of all the menus.
> >> It seems that this happends because Jaws can't discover where is
> >> the PC cursor after pressing Control+S then escape. Now I can press
> >> the up or down arrows, control+Tab or shift+Control+tab, but
> >> nothing happends. Jaws doesn't speak anything. I think I need to
restart Commodo.
> >> If I try to use the Jaws cursor and I move it faster up or down,
> >> Jaws doesn't speak anything.
> >>
> >> 10. I've tried to delete the text word by word with
control+backspace.
> >> The words are deleted, but Jaws doesn't speak those words.
> >>
> >> 11. I've tried to read the status bar of the window with the Jaws
> >> cursor, because it is too much text there and I want to see the
> >> line and column number of the cursor, but I can't read the status
> >> bar neither, because each time I press Control+left or right
> >> arrows, a menu seems to be opened.
> >> Now I've tried to see what's in that menu, because at a certain
> >> moment when moving the Jaws cursor with control+left or right, I
hear "menu".
> >> I've tried then using up and down arrows. I have also tried first
> >> switching to the PC cursor, then using up or down, but with no
luck.
> >> After doing that, I couldn't continue to read the text written in
> >> the editing area. I couldn't even return to Outlook Express because
> >> I couldn't read anything in this message I write right now. So I
> >> needed to close Commodo a second time, then I was able to write
you.
> >>
> >> 12. I've seen that message "minus 85 millions and something of 0"
> >> is read when using a combo box too. Too bad, especially that in
> >> combo boxes the real number of the list elements is not read at
all.
> >>
> >> 13. In the "Find" dialog (Control+F), the buttons don't have a
> >> hotkey defined, or at least Jaws cannot detect it if using
Shift+Num pad 5.
> >>
> >> 14. Even if I press Control+F or Control+H for replace, the Window
> >> that appear is always entitled "Find and replace". This can be
> >> confusing sometimes.
> >>
> >> 15. I've tried to change some preferences from the Edit menu, but
> >> some elements are not very accessible because the text that
> >> describes them are not read entirely.
> >>
> >> 16. After closing with Ok button that preferences window, now Jaws
> >> lost the focus again and I cannot read the text from the editor
> >> with the PC cursor. So I need to close and reopen Commodo once
more.
> >>
> >> 17. I like that Commodo has F8 and shift+F8 for jumping to the
> >> previous and next subroutine, but this can be done so easy with a
find for "sub "
> >> then jumping around with F3 and Shift+F3 which is better known. A
> >> helpful thing though. I hope it also offers the possibility of
> >> defining bookmarks.
> >>
> >>
> >> 18. Control+F8 for finding all functions could be nice if its
> >> interface would be better, but Jaws speaks so much garbage, that I
> >> would prefer to search the subroutines manually than in that list.
> >> And after displaying that list of functions (subroutines), I wasn't
> >> able to make it disappear with an escape, but I needed to choose a
subroutine then press enter.
> >> Maybe the focus moved to that subroutine, but then I wasn't able to
> >> move the cursor from there, but first I needed to switch the focus
> >> to another application then come back.
> >>
> >> 19. I've saved a file and Jaws lost again the focus. I've pressed
> >> for a few times some keys like control+Tab and others I don't
> >> remember and Jaws read for me some checkboxes without names. I've
> >> even seen a list of files and I pressed enter on one of them and
> >> Commodo told me that there is no such a file and asked me if I want
> >> to create it. Ok, I understand I might have been doing something
> >> wrong, but I wanted to read again that dialog message but I
couldn't do it and this is not ok.
> >> Jaws was not reading anything, so I have chosen that I don't want
> >> to create that file.
> >>
> >> 20. I couldn't see an easy way of defining more bookmarks like in
> >> TextPad and this feature is very important for me.
> >> I've seen other things like breakpoints and other things, but no
> >> hotkeys for creating a bookmark, deleting a bookmark, jumping to
> >> the previous and next bookmark, and deleting all the bookmarks.
> >> Isn't this possible with Commodo?
> >>
> >> Anyway, as you might have seen, Commodo is very hard accessible at
> >> least with Jaws 6 without special scripts for it, but even if it
> >> can be made to be more accessible, it doesn't have some features
other editors have.
> >>
> >> Is Firefox same... "accessible"?
> >>
> >> Octavian
> >>
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