Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
- From: Dorene Cornwell <dorenefc@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:01:09 -0700
Regardless of whether you plan to write code for money or for free, I
STRONGLY recommend you familiarize yourself with the different kinds of
licensing practices whether fully copyrighted, open-source, GPL or WHATEVER.
There is a lot of really excellent work done even by people on this list for
the public good without charge, but we all also have a variety of personal
and organizational obligations about copyrighted material.
I believe the majoy screen reader programs have demo programs that allow
considerable leeway about testing before a user has to reboot.
Best
DoreneC
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:44 PM, doctor love <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> no. not at all. just wana create my own software. how ever, I'll be doing
> it as a hobbie not to make money
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:11 PM
>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>
> It's called common sense.
>> If you want to learn to code, I'm assuming you'd like to do something with
>> it. Or, are you going to become one of them lete hx40r script kiddies that
>> can change code from someone's previously written code?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tyler Littlefield
>> Web: tysdomain.com
>> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>
>>
>> Well, can you help me? It'll mean a lot to me.
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:28 AM
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>
>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> before you start to learn programming, you need to have the smarts not
>>>> to share high dollar key protected software!
>>>> how would you like to work all day for years and not get paid because
>>>> someone gives away your app for free on the web?
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>> The BEST Solution
>>>> www.best-acts.com
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctor love" <
>>>> minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:13 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> it saves us on money lol. if you guys wish, I won't shear programs on
>>>>> this list. but, I'd like to cuz I'm a nice person . how ever I'd like to
>>>>> share everything I have. from music to software. and I just like helping
>>>>> others.
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:06 AM
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sighs, I really have to wonder why people don't use common sense before
>>>>>> they just offer a $1200 program up for free, which is clearly protected
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> copyright in the middle of public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Tyler Littlefield
>>>>>> Web: tysdomain.com
>>>>>> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctor love" <
>>>>>> minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:04 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hae bill, you can contact me on skype. I have a version of jaws if you
>>>>>> want a coppy. my friend buys jaws every year and then gives us a coppy.
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> talked it over with him and he said I can give you a coppy. but, I've
>>>>>> download a coppy of jaws from torrents and it's good as well. how ever,
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>> give you a coppy of jaws which I got from my friend. If you'd like to
>>>>>> contact me, you can on msn at
>>>>>> mackrishi@xxxxxxxx
>>>>>> or you can contact me on skype. my skype name is zmackrishi. by the
>>>>>> way, I'd like a little help from you also. I'm now learning programing.
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> just started. or you can say that I haven't started cuz, I haven't
>>>>>> started
>>>>>> one. I need to know what I have to learn, and what I have to get. I have
>>>>>> vissual basic rite now. and I really want to do this. I heard that this
>>>>>> list
>>>>>> is the best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Bill Cox
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:46 PM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Jackie, and everyone for the replies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to say, it's a load off my shoulders knowing that many other
>>>>>> programmers succeed with visual impairment. I'm more adaptable than
>>>>>> most,
>>>>>> and am pretty sure I'll do OK. The emacspeak project looks most
>>>>>> promising
>>>>>> to me in my situation (long-time emacs hacker, with peripheral vision
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> should work long-term). I'll be able to use apps I'm familiar with with
>>>>>> magnification sometimes (like skype). I'm having trouble installing any
>>>>>> speech synthesizer it works with on my Kubuntu 9.04 x64 system, though.
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>> post to the emacspeak list, and if I have to, I'll write some support for
>>>>>> other speech synthesis back-ends.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that it's critical now, but if I'm going to bother writing a
>>>>>> back-end for emacspeak to support another speech synthesizer, which
>>>>>> synthesizer would you recommend? I've installed both festival and
>>>>>> espeak.
>>>>>> I've also listened to demos of Cepstral, which sound much better to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, Bill:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1st, I do know what you're going thru. It bites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> U asked a question about whether u should use magnification or
>>>>>> screenreader. generally speaking, the conventional wisdom has it that
>>>>>> once you're at 5x magnification or above, productivity decreases to
>>>>>> such a level that screenreading software should be employed. This is
>>>>>> not to say that being able to zoom in on a particular spot might not
>>>>>> be helpful, but that it takes so much time to navigate the screen
>>>>>> using magnification that productivity suffers. It should also be
>>>>>> noted
>>>>>> that eyestrain using magnification software can result in headache &
>>>>>> fatigue. Often, if system requirements permit, screenreading software
>>>>>> & magnification can function together to create a more powerful
>>>>>> solution than either technology alone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding learning braille, there are a variety of factors to
>>>>>> consider, including tactile sensitivity & desire to learn. I
>>>>>> recommend
>>>>>> it for those who can, but, for example, many w/diabetic
>>>>>> retinopathy/neuropathy find it to be more frustrating than it's
>>>>>> worth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really suggest that u not only avail yourself of the resources on
>>>>>> this list, which are considerable, but also contact your state
>>>>>> vocational rehabilitation department/commission for the blind, as the
>>>>>> case may be. They should surely be able to assist u, especially as it
>>>>>> relates to learning braille. Also, Hadley School for the blind in
>>>>>> Winnetka, IL, has braille courses, though I think u probably have to
>>>>>> be legally blind in order to access those.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let me know if u think I may be of further assistance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/15/09, Haden Pike <haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> > The orca screen reader, part of gnome, supports magnification.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Haden Pike
>>>>>> > Email: haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> > From: "Holdsworth, Lynn" <Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:16 AM
>>>>>> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> > Subject: RE: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> And there must surely be a plethora of free and cheap screen
>>>>>> >> magnification solutions for Linux. Anybody know anything about
>>>>>> those?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler
>>>>>> >> Littlefield
>>>>>> >> Sent: 15 June 2009 16:09
>>>>>> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Bill,
>>>>>> >> Something you might check out is the speakup project found at:
>>>>>> >> http://linux-speakup.org
>>>>>> >> They have a mailling list, and a good community.
>>>>>> >> Basically speakup is the community for one of the linux screen
>>>>>> readers
>>>>>> >> that is out, that uses espeak,flite,or festival.
>>>>>> >> HTH,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Thanks,
>>>>>> >> Tyler Littlefield
>>>>>> >> Web: tysdomain.com
>>>>>> >> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> >> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added
>>>>>> features.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> >> From: "Bill Cox" <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:03 AM
>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> Thanks, Jim.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> It makes me feel a lot better to hear you say that. I've been
>>>>>> here
>>>>>> >>> before,
>>>>>> >>> with the typing problem, and there wasn't much of any community
>>>>>> at the
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> time
>>>>>> >>> to help. Yes, I will most likely stay in the linux world, though
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> >> would
>>>>>> >>> not rule out controlling linux boxes through cygwin bash shells
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> >> emacs
>>>>>> >>> like I did before. I also hope to help with development of some
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>> >>> tools being used.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Bill
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Homme, James
>>>>>> >>> <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> You can definitely be productive as a programmer in your
>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>> >>>> According to me, you have come to the right place to ask these
>>>>>> kinds
>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>> >>>> things. We have a lot of great people on this list. Do you want
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> >> stay
>>>>>> >>>> in
>>>>>> >>>> the Linux world?
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Jim
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> ----------
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Jim Homme, Usability Engineering.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> 412-544-1810.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Note: I will reply to email and voice mail within four hours.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> "Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>> >>>> talent.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> "Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> "Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> "Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> - Calvin Coolidge (1872-1933)
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>> >>>> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Bill Cox
>>>>>> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 10:32 AM
>>>>>> >>>> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> >>>> *Subject:* Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Hi.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Sorry if you get a lot of first-time dumb posts, like this. I've
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>> >>>> rare genetic defect that's causing me to lose my central vision.
>>>>>> >> It's a
>>>>>> >>>> lot
>>>>>> >>>> like macular degeneration, but I'm only 45 years old. I've been
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> >>>> programmer all my life, and have succeeded in dealing with
>>>>>> disability
>>>>>> >>>> before. I could not type for three years. I mostly program in
>>>>>> C on
>>>>>> >>>> Linux.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> What tools should I learn, what forums should I join, and what
>>>>>> skills
>>>>>> >>>> should I develop to stay a productive programmer? I'm very good
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> >>>> building
>>>>>> >>>> custom environments, which I did when I couldn't type. For
>>>>>> example,
>>>>>> >>>> should
>>>>>> >>>> I bother with Braille, and which screen readers are best for
>>>>>> mail,
>>>>>> >> web
>>>>>> >>>> browsing (and which browser?), and controlling shells and emacs?
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> >>>> expect
>>>>>> >>>> to have peripheral vision for a long time. Do programmers with
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> >>>> peripheral vision fare better reading text up close, or using
>>>>>> screen
>>>>>> >>>> readers?
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> >>>> Bill
>>>>>> >>>>
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