RE: Accessible ssh client?

I'll be happy to let you listen with the overrides on and off, to show you that 
there is absolutely no change, or at least not one
that is noticeable. Also, I'm on a decently fast connection.

If you've got some time, I'm available on skype and other messengers.

But as of now, this doesn't work for me, nor for Ken Perry, who might also 
still be on this list, and is also running windows 7
64-bit.

Take care,
Sina

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ben Humphreys
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 12:50 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Accessible ssh client?

Cina,

I too am running Windows 7 yet the problem of cursor tracking in nano 
and other editors over ssh is not unique to Windows 7 or Vista.  It 
occurs in Windows XP as well.

I fought it for at least a year before discovering the script 
override method described below and can assure you that this is the 
right track. The issue is that JAWS reads the new character before 
moving the cursor.  The Pause() function, which is equivalent to a 
Delay( 1 ) or 1/10th of a second solves this problem, although over 
slower connections, a Delay( 2 ) or more might be necessary.

Tested with Nano and Joe's Own Editor and both behave fantastically 
after making this change.

I will have to investigate the OSM recommendation described below to 
see if it improves the command-line editing in Windows 7, 
particularly the issue of Backspace re-reading the entire line.

Ben




At 11:38 AM 7/17/2011, you wrote:

>Ok, tried this trick on windows 7. No go. It doesn't improve reading 
>in nano or even on the command line in cmd.
>
>Really good hack though, and I'm glad it works in vista for folks.
>
>Take care,
>Sina
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Q
>Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 11:02 AM
>To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: Accessible ssh client?
>
>Serious +1 for figuring this out!
>I have also found that, on Vista plus, setting
>[osm]
>EnhancedConsoleSupport=0
>in default.jcf improves console support dramatically. It defaults to 1
>or 2, so search for the option and switch it.
>
>
>On 7/17/2011 10:13 AM, Ben Humphreys wrote:
> > The issue of JAWS not tracking cursor well in openssh (and other
> > console applications), particularly when using cursor-based apps such
> > as editors, can be fixed by overriding the default SayNextCharacter,
> > SayPriorCharacter, SayNextLine, and SayPriorLine scripts to include a
> > Pause between the cursor movement and the Saying of the new item under
> > the cursor.
> >
> > For example, while running ssh, bring up the script editor and
> > override the SayNextCharacter script as follows:
> >
> > Script SayNextCharacter ()
> > NextCharacter()
> > Pause()
> > SayCharacter()
> > EndScript
> >
> > Note: While creating the script, be sure to check "Can be attached to
> > key" but leave the "attach to" undefine so JAWS continues to associate
> > the script with the cursor keys.
> >
> > Incidentally, my productivity while sshing to Linux hosts has gone up
> > tremendously after discovering this little known trick.  And no thanks
> > to Freedom Scientific as console support and related bug-fixes  in
> > JAWS is not on their radar.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 09:06 AM 7/17/2011, you wrote:
> >> If openssh is the one I am thinking of that I Tried a while back, it
> >> worked pretty well, except that with jaws, it wouldn't track focus
> >> very well when editing files like with nano.
> >> Hth,
> >>
> >> -Michael.
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> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Alex Hall" <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 4:51 PM
> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Subject: Re: Accessible ssh client?
> >>
> >>> Thanks everyone. It looks like Cygwin is definitely the way to go.
> >>>
> >>> On 7/16/11, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> I would suggest Cygwin. It has a command line that is as accessible as
> >>>> Windo's oen command line. Of course it has ssh scp, etc. You can
> >>>> download just a starter set of files. I actualy prefer its ls
> >>>> command to
> >>>> the dir command of the Windows cmd program.
> >>>>
> >>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 04:41:55PM -0400, Alex Hall wrote:
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>> I am looking for a free, simple ssh client to use with a website. I
> >>>>> need to be able to ssh into the site using my login information and
> >>>>> issue commands (I am hoping to set up DJango, but to do so requires
> >>>>> the use of ssh). I have heard of Putty, but I have also heard that it
> >>>>> is not very accessible. Thanks.
> >>>>>
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