RE: Accessible UML drawing tools
- From: "Macarty, Jay {PBSG}" <Jay.Macarty@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 12:27:30 -0500
Jared,
Played with re-classing the objects in Jaws without much luck so far.
Didn't try anything with win-eyes as yet.
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:13 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Accessible UML drawing tools
Have you tried playing with reclassing the various controls (Ins+R by
default)? This might help, based on what I've read from yours and Nick's
previous posts.
I'd put a little more into getting the app and playing with it myself,
but finals are dominating my life this week to be frank. Perhaps after
they're over. *grin*
Jared
Macarty, Jay {PBSG} wrote:
> Nick,
> One thing I will give to Win-Eyes is that it at least told me "unknown
> component" for some of the objects which means it could likely be
taught
> to navigate EA. Maybe, this would be a candidate for Win-Eyes 7.0 when
> it finally comes out.
>
> In the mean time, the author of Deep View, Dorian Miller, has been
> extremely open to ideas and suggestions as to ways to improve that
> product. He and I have corresponded several times over the past few
days
> and he has already implemented a number of changes. Yesterday, I was
> able to use Deep View to produce a rather involved flow chart diagram
to
> communicate some ideas to my managers. Dorian expects to add some
> additional enhancements next week and we are exploring the use of an
> Inno setup 5 installer script I wrote for Deep View and gave to him.
>
> Thanks again for your feedback!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:24 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Accessible UML drawing tools
>
> Hi,
> Sorry to here that.
> I use Hal/Supernova as my screen reader at work and it does fine with
> EA. I didn't need to write any map files either.
> When I tried it with Jaws the main problem was that Jaws didn't seem
to
> recognise any of the window types. Not sure why, obviously the
detection
> rules are different for Jaws and Hal. Having asked around some Jaws
> users there doesn't seem to be a way to classify a window or change
the
> way Jaws detects windows. Granted I've not looked in to a great deal
> about Jaws scripting. I'm more of a casual user of Jaws. I mostly use
it
> on the web at home and to read books.
> I've never tried EA with Win Eyes.
>
> I'm quite supposed it didn't work though. From what I've been told Win
> Eyes is generally pretty good at working this sort of thing out.
>
> If I get a spare half hour at some point I'll have to try Win Eyes out
> with EA. I'm sure I've got a demo of WE somewhere.
>
> Sorry I couldn't help more.
> It's a shame that Jaws can't do this as pretty much everything in EA
is
> accessible to the keyboard.
>
> Cheers.
> Nick.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Macarty,
Jay
> {PBSG}
> Sent: 30 April 2008 23:04
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Accessible UML drawing tools
>
> Nick,
> Have tried EA 7.1 with Jaws, Window-Eyes, and System Access and can't
> seem to navigate the application with any of them.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Macarty,
Jay
> {PBSG}
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:15 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Accessible UML drawing tools
>
> Nick,
> Tried eA with Jaws 9.0 and you're right about it being quite
> non-accessible there. will try it with WE or System Access to see.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:47 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Accessible UML drawing tools
>
> Hi.
>
> Check out Enterprise Architect. www.sparxsystems.com if I remember
> correctly.
> Enterprise architect is very accessible with some screen readers.
> Hal/Supernova is fine, the last time I tried it with Jaws it didn't
have
> a hope but if your using a good screen reader EA is my tool of choice
> for UML.
>
> Cheers.
> Nick.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Macarty,
Jay
> {PBSG}
> Sent: 24 April 2008 13:37
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Accessible UML drawing tools
>
> All,
> I know this question has been asked from time to time on this list but
> I'm hoping for any recent updates that anyone is aware of. This week,
I
> started as tech lead for a new development project which will require
> considerable documentation and reviews. I am hoping to find a tool
which
> will allow me to convey ideas and design structures in the form of
> diagrams such as UML.
>
> I'd like a tool which will accept some form of text input or XML input
> and produce various diagrams. I have the latest copy of AT&T Graphviz
> (version 2.18) and it is very powerful but Graphviz doesn't come with
> any templates specifically aimed at producing UML style diagrams. It
can
> likely be done but if there is something else already out there which
is
> accessible, that would even be better.
>
> Thoughts???
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
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