Re: Accessible UML drawing tools

Have you tried playing with reclassing the various controls (Ins+R by default)? This might help, based on what I've read from yours and Nick's previous posts.


I'd put a little more into getting the app and playing with it myself, but finals are dominating my life this week to be frank. Perhaps after they're over. *grin*

Jared

Macarty, Jay {PBSG} wrote:
Nick,
One thing I will give to Win-Eyes is that it at least told me "unknown
component" for some of the objects which means it could likely be taught
to navigate EA. Maybe, this would be a candidate for Win-Eyes 7.0 when
it finally comes out.
In the mean time, the author of Deep View, Dorian Miller, has been
extremely open to ideas and suggestions as to ways to improve that
product. He and I have corresponded several times over the past few days
and he has already implemented a number of changes. Yesterday, I was
able to use Deep View to produce a rather involved flow chart diagram to
communicate some ideas to my managers. Dorian expects to add some
additional enhancements next week and we are exploring the use of an
Inno setup 5 installer script I wrote for Deep View and gave to him.
Thanks again for your feedback!


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Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 3:24 AM
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Subject: RE: Accessible UML drawing tools
Hi,
Sorry to here that.
I use Hal/Supernova as my screen reader at work and it does fine with
EA. I didn't need to write any map files either.
When I tried it with Jaws the main problem was that Jaws didn't seem to
recognise any of the window types. Not sure why, obviously the detection
rules are different for Jaws and Hal. Having asked around some Jaws
users there doesn't seem to be a way to classify a window or change the
way Jaws detects windows. Granted I've not looked in to a great deal
about Jaws scripting. I'm more of a casual user of Jaws. I mostly use it
on the web at home and to read books.
I've never tried EA with Win Eyes.
I'm quite supposed it didn't work though. From what I've been told Win
Eyes is generally pretty good at working this sort of thing out.

If I get a spare half hour at some point I'll have to try Win Eyes out
with EA. I'm sure I've got a demo of WE somewhere.

Sorry I couldn't help more.
It's a shame that Jaws can't do this as pretty much everything in EA is
accessible to the keyboard.

Cheers.
Nick.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 30 April 2008 23:04
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Subject: RE: Accessible UML drawing tools
Nick,
Have tried EA 7.1 with Jaws, Window-Eyes, and System Access and can't
seem to navigate the application with any of them.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:15 PM
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Subject: RE: Accessible UML drawing tools
Nick,
Tried eA with Jaws 9.0 and you're right about it being quite
non-accessible there. will try it with WE or System Access to see.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 6:47 AM
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Subject: RE: Accessible UML drawing tools
Hi.

Check out Enterprise Architect. www.sparxsystems.com if I remember
correctly.
Enterprise architect is very accessible with some screen readers.
Hal/Supernova is fine, the last time I tried it with Jaws it didn't have
a hope but if your using a good screen reader EA is my tool of choice
for UML.

Cheers.
Nick.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Macarty, Jay
{PBSG}
Sent: 24 April 2008 13:37
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Accessible UML drawing tools
All,
I know this question has been asked from time to time on this list but
I'm hoping for any recent updates that anyone is aware of. This week, I
started as tech lead for a new development project which will require
considerable documentation and reviews. I am hoping to find a tool which
will allow me to convey ideas and design structures in the form of
diagrams such as UML.
I'd like a tool which will accept some form of text input or XML input
and produce various diagrams. I have the latest copy of AT&T Graphviz
(version 2.18) and it is very powerful but Graphviz doesn't come with
any templates specifically aimed at producing UML style diagrams. It can
likely be done but if there is something else already out there which is
accessible, that would even be better.

Thoughts???


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