Re: Accessible Rich Application Comparison Info
- From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:22:12 -0600
heh, watch out don. =) Any time I've ever said "intriguing" it's the
first pebble in a rockslide. It usually translates to "Hmm, I wonder
if I did ..." and "Well, that didn't work ... hmm, how about if we
put this here, install that there, configure this here, read up on
that there ..." Before I know it, I'm knee-deep in full-blown tinker
mode and it's like 2 A.M. and the wife gets up to demand when in
heaven's name I'm coming to bed. :)
Regards,
Alex M
On 3/1/11, Don Marang <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Intriguing!
>
> Don Marang
> Vinux Software Development Coordinator (vinux.org.uk)
>
> There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real
> substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working
> on things that matter.
> Dean Kamen
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 4:48 PM
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Accessible Rich Application Comparison Info
>
>> Hi, Don,
>>
>> For you, I'd recommend sequence key bindings. Have to look into
>> getting this behavior to work with the control ones but, the meta keys
>> are all dual mapped to escape sequences. So, m-f which is meta f for
>> move forward a word is also mapped to escape f. In this instance, you
>> hit escape, let go of it and then hit f instead of holding them down
>> at once. Escape is a prefix instead of a modifier. I am sure there
>> is a one-handed mode of interface for emacs somewhere out there.
>> There are switch interfaces, I've learned and even petal interfaces
>> for using it with your feet. I have absolutely *no* idea how on God's
>> green EArth to get that to work but, I do know it's out there.
>>
>> Alex M
>>
>> On 3/1/11, Don Marang <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Wow! This fills in all of the gaps I have run into in the past when
>>> attempting to understand emacspeak! I am not sure how practical it will
>>> be
>>> for me to master emacs since the loss of several fingers makes it
>>> impossible
>>> to position fingers on home row. Just pressing the sequences I have seen
>>> for accomplishing a task is extremely difficult. Perhaps starting
>>> through
>>> the menus would be easier most of the time? I still want to learn the
>>> basics and give it a try. This seems perfect for that!
>>>
>>> Don Marang
>>> Vinux Software Development Coordinator (vinux.org.uk)
>>>
>>> There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any
>>> real
>>> substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am
>>> working
>>> on things that matter.
>>> Dean Kamen
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:03 PM
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: Re: Accessible Rich Application Comparison Info
>>>
>>>> A lot of people don't think of it as an html editor but it's got lots
>>>> of plugins besides the ones I named that let you do just that. It's
>>>> probably because so much of the introductory material is just so
>>>> time-consuming to go through before you can do anything. Also, in
>>>> many of the forums, they want you to learn a zillion hotkeys, read
>>>> tomes and tomes of unix manuals and stay up all night learning Emacs
>>>> lisp before they agree to show you where the meta key is. I got mad
>>>> and decided that I'd do something about it. I am writing a simple,
>>>> do-driven tutorial on Emacspeak which targets a modern user of windows
>>>> and Gnome with their menu systems and the like. I think one is well
>>>> overdue since the latest one I could find was last updated in 2001 and
>>>> here we are in 2011. I'm about 75% done and need to do some serious
>>>> spell checking and typo fixing but, here's the link. Remember, it's a
>>>> work in progress. The goal is to actually get it to where you can
>>>> *DO* *SOMETHING* within your first 5 or so minutes of launching it. I
>>>> wrote it in org-mode and exported it to html. See for yourself how
>>>> well it does:
>>>>
>>>> http://vinux-docs.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=vinux-docs/vinux-docs;a=blob_plain;f=emacspeak-easy-howto.html;hb=HEAD
>>>> Also, I've got about a grand total of 2 weeks or so under my belt
>>>> with org-mode in case you are wondering how long it took me to learn
>>>> how to do this.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alex M
>>>> On 3/1/11, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Very interesting I never thought of emacs s an html editor I will look
>>>>> into
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex
>>>>> Midence
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:01 PM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: Accessible Rich Application Comparison Info
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Ken,
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently, I'm rather taken with Emacs org-mode for writing web
>>>>> content. I've seen lots and lots of css code in the exported source
>>>>> files. I'd use a one row table as a navbar. Links are enclosed in
>>>>> pairs of brackets with the url and the description inside a nested
>>>>> pair of brackets respectively. Tables are created using a | (pipe) at
>>>>> the beginning and end of a row and each cell is separated by yet
>>>>> another |. Here's a really quick example:
>>>>>
>>>>> |[[http://braille.wunderground.com][Check the
>>>>> weather]]|[[Http://www.rfbd.org][Find audio Text
>>>>> books]]|[[http://www.google.com][Search using google]]|
>>>>>
>>>>> Put that all on one line, cut and paste it into a file you save with a
>>>>> .org extension and then bring it up in Emacs. Then, c-c c-e to
>>>>> export, press h for html, give it a title, press enter and. wham! To
>>>>> see what it looks like, just bring the resulting html file up with
>>>>> your favorite browser and see if it's what you want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Muse Mode is another good authoring environment for Emacs. I'm using
>>>>> these examples because I recall you once posted that you have
>>>>> Emacspeak set up on a machine somewhere? Anyway, I recently
>>>>> discovered these two modes and I am just loving them since you don't
>>>>> have to write most of the html by hand. The exported file is, of
>>>>> course available and you can then tweak it to your own specifications
>>>>> after most of the trivial stuff has been done for you.
>>>>> If you want an accessible wysiwyg html editor that also lets you edit
>>>>> the source code, KompoZer has worked out well for me. It's a
>>>>> Gecko-based html editor that has a wysiwig mode, a tag mode and a
>>>>> source mode. It's pretty accessible though it could probably do with
>>>>> some scripting. If you want something even more high end, there's
>>>>> always dreamweaver but it's not free unlike the other stuff I
>>>>> mentioned here.
>>>>> The Microsoft tool I think you were going for is Frontpage. It's
>>>>> successor is callld SharePoint Designer. I have never used it before
>>>>> so I have no idea how accessible or inaccessible it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some links:
>>>>> Org mode: http://orgmode.org/org.html
>>>>> Muse Mode: http://mwolson.org/projects/MuseQuickStart.html
>>>>> KompoZer: http://kompozer.net/
>>>>>
>>>>> Good luck,
>>>>> Alex M
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/1/11, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a question that is sort of realated to this post. I inherited
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> upkeep of a web page recently. It looks like crap and now I will
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>> start fresh. When I used to write web pages I wrote them using
>>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>>> Publisher. Or whatever that designer program they no longer support
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> called. Anyway What is the easiest way to create a business looking
>>>>>> web
>>>>>> page with css navigation bars that are accessible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme,
>>>>>> James
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:20 AM
>>>>>> To: Nye, Michael C
>>>>>> Subject: Accessible Rich Application Comparison Info
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you design web pages, you will want to see this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2011/02/comparison-of-aria-roles-exposed-v
>>>>>> ia-msaa-and-ui-automation-in-ie9/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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