Wow! This fills in all of the gaps I have run into in the past when attempting to understand emacspeak! I am not sure how practical it will be for me to master emacs since the loss of several fingers makes it impossible to position fingers on home row. Just pressing the sequences I have seen for accomplishing a task is extremely difficult. Perhaps starting through the menus would be easier most of the time? I still want to learn the basics and give it a try. This seems perfect for that!
Don Marang Vinux Software Development Coordinator (vinux.org.uk)There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter.
Dean Kamen -------------------------------------------------- From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:03 PM To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Accessible Rich Application Comparison Info
A lot of people don't think of it as an html editor but it's got lots of plugins besides the ones I named that let you do just that. It's probably because so much of the introductory material is just so time-consuming to go through before you can do anything. Also, in many of the forums, they want you to learn a zillion hotkeys, read tomes and tomes of unix manuals and stay up all night learning Emacs lisp before they agree to show you where the meta key is. I got mad and decided that I'd do something about it. I am writing a simple, do-driven tutorial on Emacspeak which targets a modern user of windows and Gnome with their menu systems and the like. I think one is well overdue since the latest one I could find was last updated in 2001 and here we are in 2011. I'm about 75% done and need to do some serious spell checking and typo fixing but, here's the link. Remember, it's a work in progress. The goal is to actually get it to where you can *DO* *SOMETHING* within your first 5 or so minutes of launching it. I wrote it in org-mode and exported it to html. See for yourself how well it does: http://vinux-docs.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=vinux-docs/vinux-docs;a=blob_plain;f=emacspeak-easy-howto.html;hb=HEAD Also, I've got about a grand total of 2 weeks or so under my belt with org-mode in case you are wondering how long it took me to learn how to do this. Regards, Alex M On 3/1/11, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Very interesting I never thought of emacs s an html editor I will look intothat. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:01 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Accessible Rich Application Comparison Info Hi, Ken, Currently, I'm rather taken with Emacs org-mode for writing web content. I've seen lots and lots of css code in the exported source files. I'd use a one row table as a navbar. Links are enclosed in pairs of brackets with the url and the description inside a nested pair of brackets respectively. Tables are created using a | (pipe) at the beginning and end of a row and each cell is separated by yet another |. Here's a really quick example: |[[http://braille.wunderground.com][Check the weather]]|[[Http://www.rfbd.org][Find audio Text books]]|[[http://www.google.com][Search using google]]| Put that all on one line, cut and paste it into a file you save with a .org extension and then bring it up in Emacs. Then, c-c c-e to export, press h for html, give it a title, press enter and. wham! To see what it looks like, just bring the resulting html file up with your favorite browser and see if it's what you want. Muse Mode is another good authoring environment for Emacs. I'm using these examples because I recall you once posted that you have Emacspeak set up on a machine somewhere? Anyway, I recently discovered these two modes and I am just loving them since you don't have to write most of the html by hand. The exported file is, of course available and you can then tweak it to your own specifications after most of the trivial stuff has been done for you. If you want an accessible wysiwyg html editor that also lets you edit the source code, KompoZer has worked out well for me. It's a Gecko-based html editor that has a wysiwig mode, a tag mode and a source mode. It's pretty accessible though it could probably do with some scripting. If you want something even more high end, there's always dreamweaver but it's not free unlike the other stuff I mentioned here. The Microsoft tool I think you were going for is Frontpage. It's successor is callld SharePoint Designer. I have never used it before so I have no idea how accessible or inaccessible it is. Some links: Org mode: http://orgmode.org/org.html Muse Mode: http://mwolson.org/projects/MuseQuickStart.html KompoZer: http://kompozer.net/ Good luck, Alex M On 3/1/11, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I have a question that is sort of realated to this post. I inherited the upkeep of a web page recently. It looks like crap and now I will probably start fresh. When I used to write web pages I wrote them using Microsoft Publisher. Or whatever that designer program they no longer support wascalled. Anyway What is the easiest way to create a business looking web page with css navigation bars that are accessible. Ken From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:20 AM To: Nye, Michael C Subject: Accessible Rich Application Comparison Info Hi, If you design web pages, you will want to see this.ia-msaa-and-ui-automation-in-ie9/ Jim _____ This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are intendedsolely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Ifyou have received this e-mail in error, please notify the senderimmediatelyand then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not keep, use, disclose, copy or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior permission. 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