Re: Accessible Adobe Photoshop and flash

  • From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:18:18 -0700

for that the company has a graphics designer, someone that specializes in such 
things, though with the programs I recommended to Marvin he can reliably size 
and place graphics on a web page, and I believe it was on the old programming 
list, the same place that we had this discussion last time.  

in some places and some smaller companies one person does the graphics and the 
web design, in other places and larger companies the graphics designer and the 
web designer are two different people and work in tandem on something like 
this. 

I don't know about slide shows, I don't remember if that was mentioned by him 
directly or not, but I do know that folks are building games in flash for the 
blind, go to the site I gave and look around, you will find them.  

and it may be a case as with power point, once one is sure one has the proper 
materials for a PP presentation, one can construct a slide show in it.   I have 
done so, though it was a long time back so remember working in it, and yes, I 
remember having to work double hard and taking the maximum amount of time that 
we were given for the project, but I did it, and the project got me a B, so I 
think I did alright.  

no, we can't yet work with graphics editing and/or enhancing directly yet 
teddy, but that's not always the case in the world, and stress the not 
always... as I mentioned above.  

regards, 
inthane
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Octavian Rasnita 
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 1:33 AM
  Subject: Re: Accessible Adobe Photoshop and flash


  Where did he spoke?

  I am curious how can he create/crop/modify the images, or how can he create 
the graphics on a Flash annimation and how he can verify if what he done is ok.

  Where can I read about that?

  Octavian

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: inthaneelf 
    To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:03 AM
    Subject: Re: Accessible Adobe Photoshop and flash


    here we go with this again, *sigh* we have had a professional web designer 
out here, who was and is blind...  invited by James homme, and he spoke long 
and straight forward about this... 

    later, 
    inthane
    . For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and Links 
to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me at:
    http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
    . to be able to view a simple programming project in several programming 
languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at:
    http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Octavian Rasnita 
      To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:25 PM
      Subject: Re: Accessible Adobe Photoshop and flash


      Web site development could mean very many things, so they can tell you to 
do many things that are absolutely inaccessible for a blind.

      It could mean server side programming, client side programming, database 
development, server and network administration, and these are accessible, but 
it could also mean web design which is not accessible, or so low accessible 
that it would not help any blind person to become a professional web designer.

      Discrimination means very many things also. Nothing could exist without 
beeing discriminatory for some persons.
      For the blind perspective, something absolutely not discriminatory would 
be something which has the same accessibility level for everyone, no matter if 
they can see or not.

      In your case, if the other sighted persons would be able to do what that 
program requires, without using the display, it wouldn't be discriminatory, but 
it couldn't be that way, because all the sighted persons think that "sighted is 
normal", while "blind is not normal".

      In this case, you could ask them to allow you not to follow the classes 
that requires using the mouse, because you cannot use a mouse.
      If the professors or other students would be able to do what you need to 
do without a mouse but only with the keyboard, than I think you would be able 
to do it also.

      Forcing a blind computer programmer to use a mouse could mean 
discrimination.

      Octavian

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: marvin hunkin 
        To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
        Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:24 AM
        Subject: Accessible Adobe Photoshop and flash


        Hi.
        well, next year looking at doing the diploma in information technology, 
website development.
        a couple of challenges i have, is that a couple of units, i probably 
will not be able to do, as one is to use advanced and basic features of adobe 
photoshop, to crop, manipulate images, and create 2d and 3d animation, using 
adobe flash, as part of my major project.
        Now, the National Traning Information System, which is governed by a 
national curriculum, for tafe across Australia, and comes from the department 
of education, canberra.
        now, as i will have trouble being deemed competent, because jaws, will 
not work with this software, as a core part of the course, and i have spoken to 
my disability office and the main lecturer, who organises the learning 
curriculum and talks to other lecturers.
        they will be using adobe photo shop, adobe flash.
        i know, i could probably use the flash development kit, but the major 
challenge is the graphics side of things.  So they are willing to bend, in 
their curriculum, as they said i would have an advantage, if i had sighted help 
to crop, edit and manipulate the objects.
        so, got any tips, tricks, or any work arounds for that, or is this a 
dissability discrimination act complaint, that might change their mind and bend 
to accomodate, not just me, but another vision impaired friend of mine is doing 
the same diploma with new south wales tafe, as this is a national curriculum, 
and has been rolled out as the new training package for the past 12 months.
        if you can let me know, how to get round this problem, as the other 
subjects, i should be able to use php, editor, my sql database, visual 
studio.net 2005, for the asp stuff, etc.
        if anyone has had the same problem or situation, let me know asap.
        having a meeting soon to review what i have done this year for 
certificate iv in website development.
        cheers marvin.


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