Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms

  • From: Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 08:44:56 -0700

Jay, good to see u back on list. We're all pullin 4 u!

On 6/18/10, Stanzel, Susan - Kansas City, MO <susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I don't know if I know enough Java to help, but please keep me in mind. I am
> going to send this to a person I work with because I know he will be very
> interested in this.
>
> Susie Stanzel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 10:00 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms
>
> I primarily write in java but have, in the past, worked with C C#, Ruby, and
> some PERL. Way back in the day, I even wrote a lot of COBOL code.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stanzel, Susan - Kansas City, MO" <susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 8:39 AM
> Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platforms
>
>
> I might have missed it, but what language have you written in?
>
> Susie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 8:34 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms
>
> Juan,
>
> Currently, WE4java is composed of 4 parts. The major part is written in java
> and handles all the applications monitoring and event handling. The second,
> which I hope to replace, is a third-party COM bridge called Jacob. The third
> part is a Windows Script Component (a wsc COM object) which uses JScript to
> communicate with Window-Eyes. The final part is the Window-Eyes script
> itself wich handles the speech and Braille output.
>
> What I am planning is to get rid of the Jacob COM bridge and replace it with
> a java native interface, JNI, call to a dll which will replace the wsc
> object. In this way, the interface between the java part and the dll would
> always be the same but we could have multiple dll objects to interface with
> the screen readers; one for Window-Eyes, one for JFW, one for System Access;
> etc.
>
> I'd very much be interested in having you take part in the progress of this
> project.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Juan Hernandez" <blindmagik@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 4:21 AM
> Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platforms
>
>
>> Hi Jay,
>>
>> What is we4java written in? is it all in java? Or is there some c++? I'd
>> like to know so I can contribute because I am a huge, hugefan of the
>> project, and followed itsince you released the very firstversion.  I
>> really
>> hope it gets off on  its feet and opend up so otherscanwor on it, because
>> I
>> really think your solutionis the best one out there for java access, and
>> making accessible to jfw users would be really cool.
>>
>> Take care.
>>
>>
>>
>> Juan Hernandez
>> Cell: 619-261-2568
>> E-Mail: juanhernandez98@xxxxxxxxx
>> follow me on twitter: http://www.twitter.com/blindwiz
>> my website: http://www.blindwiz.info
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty
>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:58 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms
>>
>> I have had this occur with jaws 10 as well. It usually seems to happen
>> after
>>
>> my machine has gone to screen saver and then I wake it up again. I have
>> never found a way to get it working correctly again other than restarting.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Stanzel, Susan - Kansas City, MO" <susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 9:17 AM
>> Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platforms
>>
>>
>> hHi listers,
>>
>> My machine did it again. I hear the keys being pushed and don't really
>> know
>> they are not reaching the message. When I find this out I just have to
>> restart. If any of you have ever had this problem, I sure could use a
>> hint.
>> I am using JAWS 10.
>>
>> Anyway, I wrote to say I am using JAWS and am very interested in this
>> subject since I have not done that old fashioned COBOL for two years and
>> don't have any intention of doing it again.
>>
>> Susie
>>
>> P.S. Also, I want to point out that our own Sina is an NFB scholarship
>> winner. I know you are hoping for him to getthat big one.
>>
>> Susie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stanzel,
>> Susan -
>>
>> Kansas City, MO
>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:50 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platforms
>>
>> Hi Jy,
>>
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>> an
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>> he I hoo t that bigoe 00.
>>
>> uie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty
>> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 8:35 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: About accessible technology for multiple platforms
>>
>> Hi Sina, Laura, and Jared.
>>
>> Thanks for the prompt and encouraging response. I guess some of the first
>> questions we need to answer are the following:
>>
>> * Where will the source code and binaries be stored?
>> * What type of licensing is most appropriate? I have some feedback from
>> Peter Korn on that topic but would like to get the ideas from anyone on
>> the
>> list as wel.
>> * Who will be the owning person or group of the project?
>> * Currently, WE4Java is more or less geared specifically for Window-Eyes
>> usage. If we are going to turn this into a truly multi-platform solution,
>> I
>> think we are going to have to begin hthinking of a more generalized design
>> approach. That is one reason I wanted to get away from the  dependency on
>> the Jacob COM API and the wsc bridge between WE4Java and Window-Eyes. I
>> certainly don't want to move away from allowing Window-Eyes to use the
>> java
>> access technology. I just think we need to create a generalized java core
>> with a JNI interface in which one dll would be written for Window-Eyes
>> usage
>> but other implementations could be written as well.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:17 PM
>> Subject: RE: About accessible technology for multiple platforms
>>
>>
>>> Hey Jay,
>>>
>>> I'm extremely saddened to hear about this. Please feel free to email me
>>> off line. My father recently battled with colon cancer , so
>>> I'm all to familiar with it in that respect.
>>>
>>> Also, I remember us discussing various java accessibility related issues
>>> with Mike Grace, if you remember him. He's moved on to
>>> security related research these days, but let's chat off list.
>>>
>>> All the best to you
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> Sina
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:43 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: About accessible technology for multiple platforms
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> My name is Jay Macarty and I am the author of the java accessibility
>>> software for Window-Eyes called WE4Java. For the past 7 months,
>>> I have been battleing colon cancer and thus, have not been able to devote
>>> much time to the completion of this software. Given my
>>> current health condition and work load, I can see that it is not going to
>>> be posible for me to continue work on this project without
>>> inviting some outside developer assistance. I would be more than happy to
>>> talk to anyone interested in taking the foundation of
>>> WE4Java and building it out to a more flexible and complete product. I
>>> hate giving up years of effort and thousands of hours of
>>> programming for nothing but as things stand, I don't see how to keep
>>> moving this project forwardn without opening up the source in
>>> some form or another.
>>>
>>> My last thought on this matter was to try to enlist the help of a C++
>>> developer to create a dll to interface directly with the
>>> WE4Java code base using java's native interface, JNI, instead of going
>>> through the existing wsc object and the third-party Jacob COM
>>> API. I would invite any thoughts or feedback on this topic to see if we
>>> can form some type of collaborative effort to finish this
>>> package out.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "katherine Moss" <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:00 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Vs 2010
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am loving VS 2010 right now, and I look forward to using it more as I
>>>> learn C#, ASP.net, and SQL to go along with it.  The only thing I can't
>>>> find
>>>> is a darn book on the program to save my life.  You know how sucky
>>>> Microsoft's documentation is.  LOL.
>>>>
>>>> Katherine
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 3:17 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: Vs 2010
>>>>
>>>> no coordinated effort as far as I know at this time, it has been
>>>> mentioned
>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>> elf
>>>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>>>> for blind computer users and programmers
>>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>>> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
>>>> - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!
>>>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Gomal Tao" <gomal.tao@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:19 AM
>>>> Subject: Vs 2010
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am experimenting with Visual Studio 2010 using the latest jaws 11
>>>>> update.
>>>>> So far the studio seems to be quite accessible. Writing code in the
>>>>> editor
>>>>> works all right. The problem I am having is that the studio changes
>>>>> focus
>>>>> for jaws all the time. I need to press a lot of keys to come back to
>>>>> the
>>>>> code editor. The menus works perfectly and the jaws cursor can follow
>>>>> navigating menues.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to use the visual editors for the Entity framework. With
>>>>> some
>>>>> jaws scripting it should be possible to give a jaws user access to
>>>>> these
>>>>> editors.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a lot more to explore and try out for JAWS. Is there any work
>>>>> going
>>>>> on to create JAWS script for visual studio 2010?
>>>>>
>>>>> /Gabriel
>>>>>
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