AW: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
- From: "Pfingstl, Alexander" <apfingstl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:28:45 +0100
Well, when I look in the control panel under system, I see 4GB.
So I would think it would use 4GB.
Under XP I only saw 3,5.
Thanks!
Alexander
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An: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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wrong, the amount of memory you can use is limited at 3.5 by the 32 bit
system not the version of the sistem.
So even vista on 32bit only manage 3.5 giga.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
I use many applications at a time and I have only 2 GB memory. But I never
felt the need to have a little bit more memory, although I could add much
more than 2 GB.
Of course, I talk from my own perspective, because I don't play games that
require very much memory, I don't edit sounds and other multimedia stuff.
Octavian
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From: "Pfingstl, Alexander" <apfingstl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:14 AM
Subject: AW: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
The only advantage for Vista is, that you can us 4GB RAM and not only 3 or
3,5.
For those who use many applications at a time, this could be a reason to
upgrade.
Alexander
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Rasnita
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An: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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And in this case, why upgrading to Vista? Just because it might have a nicer
interface for the sighted which is completely unuseful for me?
As I said, I will upgrade only if MS will stop supporting XP, because the
security updates are really important.
Octavian
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From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
> try to answer your self at this question, where you've seen ever a newer
> windows consuming less sresources than previous versions?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:26 PM
> Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
>
>
>> Does that version consume less resources than Win XP?
>>
>> Octavian
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
>>
>>
>>> for the vista there is a better alternative named windows server 2008
>>> which is vista with out content protection and for this reason working
>>> with 18% better than vista.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well I guess those millions of users of Vista are those who use a
>>>> cracked version, and that's why their number doesn't show anywhere. :-)
>>>>
>>>> I think I will never use Vista. Or just like XP, I will use it, if the
>>>> next version of Windows will consume more resources than Vista and MS
>>>> won't support XP.
>>>>
>>>> Octavian
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "tribble" <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <blind-windows@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>>>> "bprogramming" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Science, Technology,
>>>> Mathematics, SCI-FI, and more." <sci-tech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:40 PM
>>>> Subject: Fw: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters (fwd)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all -- What is your take on the following?
>>>>> --le
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:01:21 -0800
>>>>> From: John Oram <norami@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Reply-To: LifeRaft <survpc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: LifeRaft <survpc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: +[SurvPC] MS-Windows Vista No Longer Matters
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/vista/windows_vista_no_longer_matters.html
>>>>>
>>>>> October 26, 2008 7:15 PM
>>>>> Windows Vista No Longer Matters
>>>>>
>>>>> News Commentary. Did it ever?
>>>>>
>>>>> Make no mistake: Microsoft has moved beyond Windows Vista, which will
>>>>> become
>>>>> all too apparent during this week's Professional Developer Conference.
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> 7 is the future, and in many ways it's the present, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Contrary to ridiculous assertions recently made by Microsoft CEO Steve
>>>>> Ballmer,
>>>>> Windows Vista is a flop. If businesses aren't buying Vista, after
>>>>> waiting
>>>>> six
>>>>> (now seven) years, it's no success. Yet, during the last day of the
>>>>> Gartner
>>>>> 2008 expo 10 days ago, Steve asserted that Vista "has been extremely
>>>>> successful."
>>>>>
>>>>> A few days earlier, Steve boasted: "Vista is our best-selling product
>>>>> ever.
>>>>> So,
>>>>> if that takes too much getting over-we're not going to have products
>>>>> that
>>>>> are
>>>>> much more successful than Vista has been. We sold over 180 million
>>>>> copies in
>>>>> the first 18 months, quite successful." Really?
>>>>>
>>>>> But who's buying this "best-selling" product ever? "We have 180
>>>>> million
>>>>> users,
>>>>> mostly on the consumer market," Steve said in an Oct. 2 speech. Oh?
>>>>> According
>>>>> to Gartner analysts Neil MacDonald and David Smith, only about 10
>>>>> percent of
>>>>> enterprises have adopted Windows Vista. That's not a high number,
>>>>> particularly
>>>>> in context of the approximately six years between Windows XP and
>>>>> Vista.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not surprising then that PDC attendees will hear whole lots about
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> 7 this week and very little about its predecessor. Windows 7 banners
>>>>> are
>>>>> plentiful enough, as are the sessions: Out of 194, 22 are dedicated to
>>>>> Seven
>>>>> and none to Windows Vista. It has leprosy, baby, and nobody wants to
>>>>> catch
>>>>> it.
>>>>> I Googled "PDC 2008," and one of the pages-not now available-is
>>>>> "Unveiling
>>>>> Windows 7 to the World."
>>>>>
>>>>> Vista is headed to as quick a death as Microsoft can give it. Someday
>>>>> soon,
>>>>> some gun-toting Microsoft executive will lead Vista out back and
>>>>> "Pop!"
>>>>> Netbook
>>>>> buying trends and the sagging economy give Microsoft more reasons to
>>>>> want to
>>>>> off Vista as soon as humanly possible. The signs are everywhere:
>>>>> The vanishing license count. Every quarterly earnings since Vista's
>>>>> release,
>>>>> Microsoft executives counted up the number of licenses shipped. There
>>>>> was
>>>>> near
>>>>> silence during last week's 2009 fiscal first-quarter earnings
>>>>> announcement.
>>>>> The
>>>>> number was 180 million three months earlier. It's now "What?"
>>>>> Microsoft's
>>>>> failure to toot "the number of Vista licenses" horn means something.
>>>>> Maybe
>>>>> the
>>>>> increase wasn't that great, or maybe Microsoft is moving beyond Vista.
>>>>> I say
>>>>> yes to both.
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows client income down. During the fiscal first quarter, the
>>>>> division's
>>>>> revenue grew a paltry 2 percent year over year, but income decreased
>>>>> by
>>>>> 4
>>>>> percent. Microsoft has no tough year-ago comparison to account for the
>>>>> weak
>>>>> results. By comparison, Business division revenue and income were up
>>>>> 20
>>>>> percent
>>>>> and 23 percent, respectively. Microsoft attributed year-over-year
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> client income declines to sales of lower-cost versions in emerging
>>>>> markets
>>>>> and
>>>>> on netbooks in mature markets. Considering that PC shipment growth was
>>>>> still
>>>>> strong during the quarter, Windows results forebodes Vista weakness.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Increasing netbook sales. The product category is pure trouble for
>>>>> Microsoft
>>>>> because Windows Vista demands too much to adequately run on the
>>>>> hardware. So
>>>>> netbooks typically either ship with Linux or Windows XP Home. That
>>>>> netbook
>>>>> buyers would be satisfied with 7-year-old consumer XP is just about
>>>>> the
>>>>> only
>>>>> commentary necessary to understand Vista's market plight. According to
>>>>> Microsoft, netbooks added 8 percent growth to otherwise flat U.S. PC
>>>>> sales
>>>>> during the third calendar quarter. The category is hot, but Vista is
>>>>> not and
>>>>> couldn't be. Seven had better run well on netbooks and soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Windows. Life Without Walls." The marketing campaign should be called
>>>>> "Windows. Life Without Vista." If Vista is so successful, as Steve
>>>>> claims,
>>>>> then
>>>>> why isn't Microsoft advertising the software? Rather, Microsoft is
>>>>> trying to
>>>>> get away from Vista, abandoning a brand that it already invested tens
>>>>> of
>>>>> millions of dollars promoting. Its absent role at PDC says it all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are plenty of other signs:
>>>>> Continued OEM sales of XP downgrade licenses
>>>>>
>>>>> The aforementioned 10 percent enterprise adoption
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple's Mac market share gains (35 percent in U.S. retail revenue)
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft is moving beyond Vista to Windows 7. Windows Vista no longer
>>>>> matters.
>>>>> If it did:
>>>>> Enterprises would be buying it
>>>>>
>>>>> Consumers would be demanding it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft wouldn't freak out about Apple's "Get a Mac" ads
>>>>>
>>>>> The hottest new computer category, netbooks, would ship with Vista
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft would be aggressively advertising Vista, instead of trying
>>>>> to
>>>>> bury
>>>>> the brand
>>>>>
>>>>> Developers would be creating hunky Vista apps; instead, projects like
>>>>> Yahoo
>>>>> Messenger for Windows Vista are being abandoned
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've long said that Windows Vista isn't a bad operating system. It's
>>>>> just
>>>>> not
>>>>> particularly better than Windows XP. Strange, then, that Microsoft
>>>>> isn't
>>>>> messaging Seven as being particularly better than Windows Vista. It
>>>>> won't
>>>>> be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft believes, with some justification, that Vista has major
>>>>> perception
>>>>> problems. The company clearly has decided that negative perceptions
>>>>> can't be
>>>>> fixed. Hence, the diminished emphasis on Vista; starting tomorrow-and
>>>>> especially on Tuesday-an increased emphasis on Windows 7. By shifting
>>>>> emphasis
>>>>> to Seven, Microsoft is treating Vista perceptions mainly as a
>>>>> marketing
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vista deserved better market reception than it got. Strange, a few
>>>>> small
>>>>> improvements could have changed everything-like startup times.
>>>>> Everybody
>>>>> bitches about how long Vista takes to boot up or wake up from sleep.
>>>>> Last
>>>>> week,
>>>>> one of my longtime Windows buddies bought a MacBook. Yesterday we
>>>>> talked
>>>>> about
>>>>> startup times. He surprised me. He had already clocked startup times:
>>>>> 7
>>>>> minutes
>>>>> on his Vista notebook and about a minute for the $1,299 MacBook.
>>>>> That's
>>>>> not
>>>>> scientific, but it needn't be. One user, one experience multiplied by
>>>>> 180
>>>>> million Vista licenses is scientific enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Please send your tips or rumors to watchtips at gmail.com].
>>>>>
>>>>> Posted by Joe Wilcox on October 26, 2008 7:15 PM
>>>>>
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