Hi Dawn, What do your scripts do if table cells have multiple lines of data? Jim From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Marang Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 9:16 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: A Step Backwards I do use an INI file to insecurely store my DirecTV web site user email and password. So there are examples of that in the same set of IE / FF scripts that allow Table Navigation Mode. This hotkey is a toggle, but I only save the state in a global. The AutoFinishEvent resets it so that if you leave the window, the special mode is turned off. This uses a mechanism similar to the JAWS key help, as I remember. Don Marang Vinux Software Development Coordinator - vinux.org.uk There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. -- Dean Kamen On 3/21/2011 6:09 AM, Homme, James wrote: Hi Don, Maybe this was you. I don't remember. A long time ago, someone on the JAWSScripts list wrote a script that had a key you could press that would alter the behavior of the arrow keys so that if you wanted them to, they would do all kinds of neat stuff like read as if they were in tables, read only the word you land on when you go up and down, left and write, read the character you land on when you go up, down, left, and right, and I forget what else. According to my memory, the whole thing was controlled by an ini file setting. I thought that this would be a good thing to implement for a friend who has a motor disability. Thanks. Jim From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Marang Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:03 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: A Step Backwards Is the information in a TV Guide layout considered a presentation or data table? Is using a true html table considered bad form or not the ideal accessibility solution? I personally picked the guide at TitanTV.com because it shows all of the programs for 6 hours for all of your favorite channels within a table. Using the Arrow keys while holding down the Alt + Control keys lets me move around the table like a spreadsheet. Actually I wrote a script that toggles me in or out of a Table Navigation Mode so I do not need to hold down those keys. It also announces the time slot (column heading) and channel (row header) as I move around the table. Don Marang Vinux Software Development Coordinator - vinux.org.uk There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. -- Dean Kamen On 3/16/2011 9:25 AM, E.J. Zufelt wrote: There are generally two thoughts on this decision. 1. People are going to use tables for layout, allowing for role="presentation" provides an explicit method of indicating that a table is part of presentation, and not semantic. 2. Tables should never be used for presentation, all markup should be semantic and all presentation should be performed with CSS. I am on the fence, it is most likely that those using tables for layout will not know or care about role="presentation". I prefer the standardist approach, where * all * markup is for semantics, and not for presentation. That being said, is this decision really going to make a big difference on the usability accessibility of a site, likely not. Everett Zufelt http://zufelt.ca Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/ezufelt View my LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/ezufelt On 2011-03-16, at 10:19 AM, Ken Perry wrote: I don't see that as a step backwards since they force the role attribute. ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John G Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:37 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: A Step Backwards Does anyone know about this? begin extract Therefore, the HTML Working Group hereby adopts the "Allow tables to be >used for presentational purposes" Proposal for ISSUE-130. Of the Change Proposals before us, this one has drawn the weaker objections. 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