[program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans

  • From: "Brent Neal" <bneal@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: <program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:40:09 -0600

Thank You for the information.  It is good to have some examples of
totally blind programmers who are actually doing it in a work
environment.  When I talk to management about my assignments I can use
these examples.
 
Brent Neal
140 E 300 S
Salt Lake City, UT 84111
 
Programmer
Phone:  801.526.9797
Email:  bneal@xxxxxxxx 


>>> "Corbett, James" <James.Corbett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 6/17/2009 7:27 AM
>>>
Time to fess up here.... I've been with out sight for nearly 16
years.... I went from 20/20 to nothing in six months. Now, prior to all
of that I was employed in a variety of jobs where reading of blue prints
were a daily task, and by the end of my sighted career I was running
AutoCAD in both 2 and three D design. Essentially I took a blue print
from a draftsman and designed a work holding device around the 2D
drawing.
 
I say all of this because I believe it allows me a particular view
point when it comes to screen design. Obviously I'm not going to paint
the Mona Lisa but I can produce a workable stick man.
 
So first of all, I divide my screen / monitor into for quadrants. Upper
left is "Q-A", lower right is "Q-D".... and so on. Studies have proven
that the human eye flows from the upper left corner to the lower right
corner, and the most attention given is the center of the screen.
 
So keeping all these factors in mind I will begin to design a rough
screen. HTML with all of it's features allows us to manipulate the
screen in a manner that is both effective and appealing. Obviously one
needs an understanding of the syntax, what items on the screen are
relevant and what the end customer needs or thinks they need. Another
factor is a nasty word called "Practice".... with out it and some trial
and error you won't get far.
 
There is really no big secret if you approach it as I have described it
above.
 
Jim 

From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brent Neal
Sent: June 17, 2009 09:00
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans

Hi Jim,
That gives us some hope.  How do you do the screen layouts for the web
applications?
 
Brent Neal
140 E 300 S
Salt Lake City, UT 84111
 
Programmer
Phone:  801.526.9797
Email:  bneal@xxxxxxxx 


>>> "Corbett, James" <James.Corbett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 6/17/2009 6:25 AM
>>>
Well:
 
I've developed, maintained and continue to support both stand alone
apps as well as web applications. I'm completely blind, can't read
Braille, and only use JFW.
 
So as far as not being able to do the job because some one said I
couldn't.... that's an entirely separate discussion.
 
Jim 

From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brent Neal
Sent: June 16, 2009 14:09
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans

As a visually impaired programmer are you able to maintain and develop
websites.  I was on the web team here at work but was moved because they
said developing and maintaining the websites was very visual.  You had
to get layout and color so it looked professional and we were not sure
how I would do that.  We talked about doing some of the Java code but
figured you would probably have to be able to see the results to be
effective.
 
Brent Neal
140 E 300 S
Salt Lake City, UT 84111
 
Programmer
Phone:  801.526.9797
Email:  bneal@xxxxxxxx 


>>> "Corbett, James" <James.Corbett@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 6/16/2009 11:08 AM
>>>
Anna:
 
Well if you were me and I were you.... I would press them to explain
the situation in greater detail so as that you can seek alternate
arrangements or options.
 
Jim 

From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anna Giller
Sent: June 16, 2009 13:04
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans


Jim,
 
I might not be very clear, because don’t know Netbeans, but here is
what I was told by my immediate supervisor.
The official environment for our shop is Netbeans. I can’t
maintaintheir web applications with Eclipse, and my co-workers can not
maintain my web applications with Netbeans.
 
Thank you,
Anna
 


From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Corbett,
James
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:38 PM
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans

 
Anna:
 
Can you clearly explain where the conflict is?
 
Jim 
 

From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anna Giller
Sent: June 16, 2009 12:10
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans
Jim,
 
If I can Build WAR with Eclipse using ANT it’s great!
Does it fully solve the problem with incompatibility?
Should I do any extra installation?
 
Would you please point me to the initial steps like you did when I was
learning Eclipse. 
 
Thank you very much,
Anna
 
 
 
 


From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Corbett,
James
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:56 AM
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans

 
Anna:
 
When I indicated that the files can be edited in a text editor I was
suggesting that the editing tools you choose could be as simple as... by
all means you can edit these files with in Eclipse since essentially the
Eclipse editor is a text editor with some smarts. Also you can build a
jar / war / ear while with in the Eclipse IDE using ant.
 
Also, on the Eclipse.org site there are other plug in projects that
will aid you in the development / deployment of a web application.
 
Eclipse is and becoming more powerful by the day.
 
Jim 
 

From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anna Giller
Sent: June 16, 2009 11:46
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans
Jim,
 
Why not to use Eclipse at least for editing and compiling?
It has so useful automatic features like content assist, source
formatting, etc. I can’t develop without these features.
Can I combine Eclipse with another building/deploying tool?
 
Thanks,
Anna
 


From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Corbett,
James
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:55 AM
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans

 
Anna:
 
...for what most of us need to do, either MS Notepad or Textpad will
suffice.
 
Jim 
 

From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anna Giller
Sent: June 16, 2009 10:54
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans
Jim,
 
You’re right, so far I’ve been using Glassfish, but it was for learning
purposes only.
Now I need to move to the real environment, and this is where the
problem with IDE comes up. I’m not sure which app server they are using.
It should not be a problem, because all servers are accessible from the
internet.
Please tell me, how accessible ANT is.
Is it not based on the command line?
 
Thank you,
Anna
 
 


From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Corbett,
James
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:45 AM
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans

 
Anna:
 
...ant is a useful build utility which really one does not need to
learn aside from the configuration. On the other hand Weblogic is my
server where my .ear is deployed. I seem to remember that you had the
Glass Fish server at one time or another. Again with servers, its more
the configuration of them then the real every day use of same.
 
Jim 
 

From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anna Giller
Sent: June 16, 2009 10:39
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans
Jim,
 
Should I consider learning these utilities?
Will it make my web applications compatible with the ones created in
IDEs?
I would like to learn one environment and then stay with it. 
Do you think ANT will do it for me?
If so, would you please advise me on how to learn it fast.
 
Thank you very much,
Anna
 


From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Corbett,
James
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:29 AM
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans

 
Anna:
 
We use ant and Weblogic 10.3.
 

From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anna Giller
Sent: June 16, 2009 10:28
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans
Jim,
 
Which tool do you use for building and deploying web applications?
 
Thank you,
Anna
 
 


From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Corbett,
James
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:22 AM
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans

 
Anna:
 
In my shop half of the users are coding in JBuilder while the rest of
us use Eclipse. We work on the same apps so I don't know why your people
would say such a thing as the IDE's are not compatible, but then again I
don't use automated processes while developing opting to code by hand.
 
Jim 
 

From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anna Giller
Sent: June 16, 2009 10:00
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans
Jim,
 
Yes, they use CVS.
Do you think it’s possible to make Eclipse web applications Netbeans
competible?
 
Thank you very much,
Anna
 
 

From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Corbett,
James
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:14 AM
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans

 
Anna:
 
...are you and your team using a centralized source controller such as
WinCVS?
 
If a team member needs or is required to de-compile the .war or .ear
file then your development infrastructure needs much analysis.
 
Jim 
 

From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anna Giller
Sent: June 15, 2009 09:58
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans
Hi Pam!
 
David is right, I do use automatic features of IDE, mostly because it’s
more accessible.
Web project in IDE consists of application and system files and folders
in a precisestructure.
Each project also has a deployment descriptor that contains the
information about this project.
Both the file structure and the deployment descriptor are IDE
specific.
Once WAR module is created it can be executed on the server regardless
of which IDE it was created with.
But when another team member needs to do a maintenance on my
application, he needs to decompress WAR module and this is where the
problem is.
 
I’m looking for something like a conversion program between different
IDEs.
 
Thank you very much,
Anna


From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of William &
Pamela
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 4:17 PM
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Cc: 'David Sills'; pmcoats00@xxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Re: Eclipse and Netbeans

 
Hi Anna, 
 
I spoke with a sighted person, (David), who is quite knowledgable in
the Java arina. I was confused that the IDE would make so much
difference. Of course, I didn’t ask him about the accessibility of
NetBeans. He probably wouldn’t be much help with that issue, but he did
have a question. 
An excerpt from my e-mail to him, and his reply is below. Would you
mind trying to answer his question? 
 
Thanks, 
Pamela 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: William & Pamela [mailto:pmcoats00@xxxxxxx]
 
David, 
 
I was reading some e-mail I got from a listserv for blind users, and
one of the e-mails said that her office is requiring her to use NetBeans
instead of Eclipse. 
She said that they told her that web applications built and deployed
from Eclipse are not compatible with the ones created from Netbeans. 
 
I wouldn't have thought the IDE would make that much difference. Does
it? 
 
Thanks,
Pamela 
 
-----Original Message-----
 
Pam:
 
Not so much the way we do it, but some people make considerably more
use of the automated features of the IDE, and that might be what she
means.
You could ask, if you wouldn't mind - I would be interested in the
details of her opinion. It is for precisely this reason that I don't use
IDE "features" - they result in inconsistent code, which in the long run
(maintenance, I mean) results in lower productivity, whatever the
temporary gains.
 
 

From:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anna Giller
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 11:22 AM
To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: [program-java] Eclipse and Netbeans

 
Hi Everyone!
 
I’ve been using Eclipse while learning Java.
Now I need to do real work, and I’m required to use Netbeans, because
it’s what my shop is using.
They say that web applications built and deployed from Eclipse are not
compatible with the ones created from Netbeans.
Does anyone have an experience working with Netbeans?
How accessible is it?
 
Thank you very much,
Anna

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