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pada membicarakan sorga, apa udah pada yakin bakal ke sorga....hehehhe

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004, dicky riyadi wrote:

> njarno tho Pak... wong seneng-seneng aja lho...kan demokrasi..
> 
> Danardono HADINOTO <rm_danardono@xxxxxxxx> wrote:Kok gak capek eyel2an aqidah 
> to?
> 
> 
> RG Nur Rahmat <garnizoon70@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Lesbians in Paradise?  Will a believing single woman have a male or female 
> spouse in Paradise?
> 
> This is the section where the Christian "Answering Islam" team is clearly 
> wrong in.  They claim that since Allah Almighty called both men and women 
> "righteous" in the Noble Verses above, and promised them to be joined 
> together as "companions" as shown Noble Verses below, and didn't specify that 
> men will be joined with women only, then He the Almighty meant that He will 
> mix both genders together and allow them to have sexual relationships 
> together as Gays and Lesbians.  This conclusion from that bogus team is plain 
> dumb!  No woman will be a Lesbian, and no man will be a Gay in Paradise.  Let 
> us look at the following Noble Verses that the Christian "Answering Islam" 
> team had used:
> 
> "Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them. Youths (handsome) as Pearls 
> well-guarded.  (The Noble Quran, 52:24)"  "...Youths (handsome)..." is 
> written in Arabic as "gilma-nun llahum".  Gilma-nun literally means young 
> males.  This Noble Verse is talking about young male servants whom Allah 
> Almighty Created for the service of the Believers in Paradise. 
> 
> "Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness),  (The Noble 
> Quran, 56:17)"  "...youths of..." is written in Arabic this time as 
> "wil-daa-nun", which literally means young boys.   This Noble Verse is again 
> talking about young male servants whom Allah Almighty Created for the service 
> of the Believers in Paradise.
> 
> "And round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness): If thou 
> seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls.  (The Noble Quran, 
> 76:19)"  "youths of..." uses the same exact word in Noble Verse 56:17.
> 
> "And for such as had entertained the fear of standing before their Lord's 
> (tribunal) and had restrained (their) soul from lower desires, Their abode 
> will be the Garden. (The Noble Quran, 79:40-41)"  "...Their abode will be the 
> Garden." is written in Arabic as "fa-inna al-jannata hiya al-ma'wa".   This 
> is a correct translation.  However, it doesn't show anywhere of same genders 
> having sex with each others.  
> 
> "They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and 
> We shall join them to Companions, with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.  (The 
> Noble Quran, 52:20)"  "We shall join them to Companions..." is written in 
> Arabic as "wa-zawwaj-naahum bi-hoori-aayn".   The English translation is not 
> quite accurate for this Noble Verse.  The Arabic word "wa-zawwaj-naahum" 
> means to have them marry or get married.   "join them to Companions" is not 
> really accurate, because it doesn't necessarily mean that they would get 
> married if they were "Companions". 
> 
> Very Important Note: It is very important to know that the Arabic Noble Quran 
> is referring to marriage in this Noble Verse, because marriage in Islam is 
> NOT FOR THE SAME GENDERS.  Males can not marry males in Islam.  The same 
> applies for females.   So when Allah Almighty used the word 
> "Wa-Zawwaj-naahum", which is derived from the Arabic word "zawaaj 
> (marriage)", He the Almighty clearly meant to enjoin males and females into 
> marriage, and not to mix the males and females together and have them pick 
> and choose their sexual mates, even if they were the same gender.  Let us 
> look at Noble Verse 44:54 "Moreover, We shall Join them to Companions With 
> beautiful, big, And lustrous eyes."   The same word for "...join them to 
> Companions..." is used in Noble Verse 52:20.  
> 
> As for those whom the believers would marry, "...With beautiful, big, And 
> lustrous eyes...", it is written in Arabic as "bi hoori-aayn".  This same 
> word was used for Jesus' (peace be upon him) disciples (al-hawariyyun as 
> plural......hur or huri or houri as singular), which both (al-hawariyyun) and 
> (hoori-aayn) are both derived from the Arabic word "hoor" or "howr", or 
> "hur". 
> 
> The following comment regarding Noble Verses 52:20 and 44:54 was taken from 
> the foot notes of the Noble Quran that was translated by Minister (Sheikh) 
> Abdullah Yusuf Ali; may Allah Almighty rest his soul and make Paradise his 
> ultimate destiny: "Hur implies the following ideas: (1) purity; possibly the 
> word Hawariyun, as applied to the first Disciples of Jesus, is connected with 
> this root; (2) beauty, especially of eyes, where the intense white of the 
> eyeballs stands out against the intense black of the pupil, thus giving the 
> appearance of lustre, and intense feeling: as opposed to dullness or want of 
> expression; and (3) truth and good will."
> 
> The word "hur" which Jesus' male disciples and the companions of believers in 
> Paradise were given names that were derived from it quite clearly is 
> referring to both males and females.  This means that the winners of Paradise 
> will have their suitable gender of "hoori-aayn" depending on their gender.
> 
> So when Allah Almighty promised companions to the believers in Paradise, He 
> quite clearly and obviously promised female companions for the males and male 
> companions for the females.
> 
> Important Note: In Arabic, plurals and pronouns are derived from root words.  
> In the case of "Quran" for instance as in "Noble Quran", it is derived from 
> the root word "Iqra" which means read. "Qara" means "past of read", "Quran" 
> means "The read".  It could also mean "The Revealed" since the word "Qara" 
> could also mean "Read to him/her" as in "Qara alaihi or Qara lahu", which 
> means "Read to him". 
> 
> Another example to take is "Kitab" which means "Book".  It is derived from 
> the root word "yaktub" which means "write". "kitaba" means "writing".  
> "kataba" means "wrote".  So "kitab" means the "The written". 
> 
> In the case of the word "hawariyyun", which is the word Allah Almighty called 
> Jesus' disciples peace be upon them, it is derived from the root word "hur".  
>  So in the case of Jesus' disciples peace be upon them, Allah Almighty 
> respected them by calling them "hawariyyun", which is plural of "huri", which 
> is derived from the root word "hur" which means a very beautiful 
> human-creation of Allah Almighty.  So the word "hur" or "huri" in the Noble 
> Quran and Arabic can refer to either a male or female and NOT JUST FEMALES 
> ALONE, thus making the hoori-aayn or huri-aayn of Paradise be either males 
> huri-aayn or females huri-aayn, because "huri-aayn" is derived from the root 
> word "hur". 
> 
> Another Important Note: In the section below, you will see proof that a woman 
> can only have one husband.  A woman can't have multiple husbands.  Only the 
> man can have multiple wives.
> 
> In Paradise everyone (men and women) will live happily:
> 
> Let us look at the following Noble Verses from the Noble Quran:
> 
> "Verily the Companions of the Garden shall that Day have joy in all that they 
> do;  (The Noble Quran, 36:55)" 
> 
> "(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it 
> are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never 
> changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure 
> and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their 
> Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever 
> in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their 
> bowels (to pieces)?  (The Noble Quran, 47:15)" 
> 
> "As to those who believe and work righteous deeds, they have, for their 
> entertainment, the Gardens of Paradise,  (The Noble Quran, 18:107)" 
> 
> "And those who feared their Lord will be led to the Garden in crowds: until 
> behold, they arrive there; its gates will be opened; and its keepers will 
> say: 'Peace be upon you! well have ye done! enter ye here, to dwell therein.' 
>  (The Noble Quran, 39:73)" 
> 
> "They will say: 'Praise be to God, Who has truly fulfilled His Promise to us, 
> and has given us (this) land in heritage: We can dwell in the Garden as we 
> will: how excellent a reward for those who work (righteousness)!'  (The Noble 
> Quran, 39:74)" 
> 
> "But those who have faith and work righteousness, they are companions of the 
> Garden: Therein shall they abide (For ever).  (The Noble Quran, 2:82)" 
> 
> "Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden whose 
> width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for 
> the righteous,  (The Noble Quran, 3:133)" 
> 
> "Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment 
> shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the 
> Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For 
> the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception.  (The Noble 
> Quran, 3:185)" 
> 
> There are many more Noble Verses that elaborate on the Great Reward and Joy 
> that the Believers (men and women) will have in Heaven, but I think the above 
> Noble Verses are good enough to prove my point.
> 
> 
> 
> How come women in Islam can't have multiple husbands if they are equal to 
> men? 
> 
> This is one of the things that I personally can't speak on behalf of GOD 
> Almighty.   I can't ALWAYS tell you why or why not He chose to do certain 
> things.   But throughout His Noble Revelations that started from the time of 
> Adam all the way to Muhammad peace be upon them, polygany or polygamy (man 
> having multiple women) is allowed (although it is highly discouraged to a 
> point where it is almost prohibited in Islam to most men), where polyandry 
> (woman having multiple husbands) had always been forbidden!  
> 
> Note: The word "polygamy" in the past used to mean men and women marrying 
> multiple husbands and wives, meaning that the man would have multiple wives 
> and each of his wives would have multiple husbands.   But today, the word had 
> been modified to mean "man having multiple wives" only.  At least, this is 
> what I meant it to mean in this article.  
> 
> As far as women being equal to men in Islam, well, please visit Women in 
> Islam V.S. Christianity to see the many proofs that women are indeed equal to 
> men in Islam and hold a very dear, respectful and honorable place in Islam, 
> and how women on the other hand are nothing but "sex objects" who have no 
> value in Christianity.  Islam came to liberate and free women and put them on 
> the highest ranks of honor.  I provided quotes and proofs from both the Noble 
> Quran, and the Bible's Old and New Testaments.
> 
> 
> 
> Further additions and explanations from Muslims: 
> 
> The following addition was sent to me by brother Rizan Bin Noordin; may Allah 
> Almighty always be pleased with him.
> 
> Regarding the above-said article, I believe the answering-Islam team are 
> mixing their views of Heaven with what they find here on Earth. In the Qur'an 
> it is said: 
> 
> "And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction." 
> - surah adh-Dhariyat 51:49. 
> 
> and
> 
> "And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among 
> yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love 
> and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who 
> reflect." - surah ar-Room 30:21. 
> 
> Thus it is clear that for men there are women and vic versa. The ideas of 
> gayism or lesbianism are not from the commands of Allah, but from the 
> whisperings of syaitaan. 
> 
> "And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, 
> such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. Do ye indeed 
> approach men, and cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness (even) in 
> your councils?" But his people gave no answer but this: they said: "Bring us 
> the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth. He said: "O my Lord! help Thou 
> me against people who do mischief!" When Our Messengers came to Abraham with 
> the good news, they said: "We are indeed going to destroy the people of this 
> township: for truly they are (addicted to) crime."" - surah al-Ankabut 
> 29:28-31.
> 
> "Those of you who turned back on the day the two hosts Met,-it was Satan who 
> caused them to fail, because of some (evil) they had done. But Allah Has 
> blotted out (their fault): For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing." - 
> surah al-Imran 3:155. 
> 
> "From the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his 
> whisper),- (The same) who whispers into the hearts of Mankind,-" - surah 
> an-Nas 114:4-5. 
> 
> There cannot be any whisperings or evil in heaven. Thus the essential force 
> that pushes men and women towards the revolting acts are removed. The 
> Earthbound idea of having relations with servants, or with people of the same 
> sex are no longer in the equation of human tendencies. Our minds will be free 
> of such thought, thus the answering-Islam team's allegations that there will 
> be the base desires in Heaven is absurd. It is clearly revealed in surah 
> al-Jinn. 
> 
> "'And we[the jinn] pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled 
> with stern guards and flaming fire." - surah al-Jinn 72:8. 
> 
> So I believe the initial argument from the answering-Islam team is already 
> wrong. They are arguing semantics while throwing out the essential message of 
> the whole Qur'an. 
> 
> "O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: 
> (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose 
> hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any 
> lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They 
> change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, "If ye are 
> given this, take it, but if not, beware!" If any one's trial is intended by 
> Allah, thou hast no authority in the least for him against Allah. For such - 
> it is not Allah's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in 
> this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment." - surah al-Maaidah 
> 5:41. 
> 
> That is all from me brother Osama. I hope however little my efforts, I have 
> helped in your cause. Please carry on your noble efforts in the spirit of 
> Islam. I hope Allah protect us from speaking untruth and shelter us from the 
> lies of those with an agenda against His teachings, InsyaAllah. 
> 
> Allah Ma'ak.
> http://www.answering-islam.com/islamic_paradise.htm
> 
> dicky riyadi <dickyriyadi@xxxxxxxx> wrote:Pak RM Danardono...., kita buktikan 
> kalo kita mati, Pak...bidadari itu cuman perumpamaan, karena akal manusia 
> tidak nyampe membayangkan sorga seperti apa...,
> 
> wong kalo tidur saja kita tidak bisa tahu, dimana sebenarnya kita hayoooo?
> 
> neraka itu kekal bagi yg betul2 kafir, blas tidak percaya adanya Tuhan...
> 
> kalo masih percaya, ya ada discount lah...
> 
> yg suka nyekar itu kan cuman wong jowo..., kalo eropa kan ngasih bunga hidup, 
> lalu ditanam dipusaranya biar sedep dipandang mata..
> 
> boleh saja Pak Danardono nyekar viagra,.... tidak ada larangan kok? 
> betul, kan...coba lihat di Injil, tidak ada larangan begitu, juga di kitab 
> lainnya..
> 
> 
> 
> rm_danardono wrote:
> Amien mas Sigit. 
> 
> Kalau surga itu seperti gambaran akal manusia, yang syuuur sekali 
> banyak bidadarinya cantik2 (lho lalu wanita yang saleh dan meninggal 
> ditunggu siapa? Tom Cruise?), maka kalau nyekar ke makam, kita 
> sedekahkan viagra...bukan bunga
> 
> 
> Salam
> 
> 
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