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Danardono HADINOTO <rm_danardono@xxxxxxxx> wrote:Kok gak capek eyel2an aqidah 
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RG Nur Rahmat <garnizoon70@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Lesbians in Paradise?  Will a believing single woman have a male or female 
spouse in Paradise?

This is the section where the Christian "Answering Islam" team is clearly wrong 
in.  They claim that since Allah Almighty called both men and women "righteous" 
in the Noble Verses above, and promised them to be joined together as 
"companions" as shown Noble Verses below, and didn't specify that men will be 
joined with women only, then He the Almighty meant that He will mix both 
genders together and allow them to have sexual relationships together as Gays 
and Lesbians.  This conclusion from that bogus team is plain dumb!  No woman 
will be a Lesbian, and no man will be a Gay in Paradise.  Let us look at the 
following Noble Verses that the Christian "Answering Islam" team had used:

"Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them. Youths (handsome) as Pearls 
well-guarded.  (The Noble Quran, 52:24)"  "...Youths (handsome)..." is written 
in Arabic as "gilma-nun llahum".  Gilma-nun literally means young males.  This 
Noble Verse is talking about young male servants whom Allah Almighty Created 
for the service of the Believers in Paradise. 

"Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness),  (The Noble 
Quran, 56:17)"  "...youths of..." is written in Arabic this time as 
"wil-daa-nun", which literally means young boys.   This Noble Verse is again 
talking about young male servants whom Allah Almighty Created for the service 
of the Believers in Paradise.

"And round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness): If thou 
seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered Pearls.  (The Noble Quran, 
76:19)"  "youths of..." uses the same exact word in Noble Verse 56:17.

"And for such as had entertained the fear of standing before their Lord's 
(tribunal) and had restrained (their) soul from lower desires, Their abode will 
be the Garden. (The Noble Quran, 79:40-41)"  "...Their abode will be the 
Garden." is written in Arabic as "fa-inna al-jannata hiya al-ma'wa".   This is 
a correct translation.  However, it doesn't show anywhere of same genders 
having sex with each others.  

"They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and 
We shall join them to Companions, with beautiful big and lustrous eyes.  (The 
Noble Quran, 52:20)"  "We shall join them to Companions..." is written in 
Arabic as "wa-zawwaj-naahum bi-hoori-aayn".   The English translation is not 
quite accurate for this Noble Verse.  The Arabic word "wa-zawwaj-naahum" means 
to have them marry or get married.   "join them to Companions" is not really 
accurate, because it doesn't necessarily mean that they would get married if 
they were "Companions". 

Very Important Note: It is very important to know that the Arabic Noble Quran 
is referring to marriage in this Noble Verse, because marriage in Islam is NOT 
FOR THE SAME GENDERS.  Males can not marry males in Islam.  The same applies 
for females.   So when Allah Almighty used the word "Wa-Zawwaj-naahum", which 
is derived from the Arabic word "zawaaj (marriage)", He the Almighty clearly 
meant to enjoin males and females into marriage, and not to mix the males and 
females together and have them pick and choose their sexual mates, even if they 
were the same gender.  Let us look at Noble Verse 44:54 "Moreover, We shall 
Join them to Companions With beautiful, big, And lustrous eyes."   The same 
word for "...join them to Companions..." is used in Noble Verse 52:20.  

As for those whom the believers would marry, "...With beautiful, big, And 
lustrous eyes...", it is written in Arabic as "bi hoori-aayn".  This same word 
was used for Jesus' (peace be upon him) disciples (al-hawariyyun as 
plural......hur or huri or houri as singular), which both (al-hawariyyun) and 
(hoori-aayn) are both derived from the Arabic word "hoor" or "howr", or "hur". 

The following comment regarding Noble Verses 52:20 and 44:54 was taken from the 
foot notes of the Noble Quran that was translated by Minister (Sheikh) Abdullah 
Yusuf Ali; may Allah Almighty rest his soul and make Paradise his ultimate 
destiny: "Hur implies the following ideas: (1) purity; possibly the word 
Hawariyun, as applied to the first Disciples of Jesus, is connected with this 
root; (2) beauty, especially of eyes, where the intense white of the eyeballs 
stands out against the intense black of the pupil, thus giving the appearance 
of lustre, and intense feeling: as opposed to dullness or want of expression; 
and (3) truth and good will."

The word "hur" which Jesus' male disciples and the companions of believers in 
Paradise were given names that were derived from it quite clearly is referring 
to both males and females.  This means that the winners of Paradise will have 
their suitable gender of "hoori-aayn" depending on their gender.

So when Allah Almighty promised companions to the believers in Paradise, He 
quite clearly and obviously promised female companions for the males and male 
companions for the females.

Important Note: In Arabic, plurals and pronouns are derived from root words.  
In the case of "Quran" for instance as in "Noble Quran", it is derived from the 
root word "Iqra" which means read. "Qara" means "past of read", "Quran" means 
"The read".  It could also mean "The Revealed" since the word "Qara" could also 
mean "Read to him/her" as in "Qara alaihi or Qara lahu", which means "Read to 
him". 

Another example to take is "Kitab" which means "Book".  It is derived from the 
root word "yaktub" which means "write". "kitaba" means "writing".  "kataba" 
means "wrote".  So "kitab" means the "The written". 

In the case of the word "hawariyyun", which is the word Allah Almighty called 
Jesus' disciples peace be upon them, it is derived from the root word "hur".   
So in the case of Jesus' disciples peace be upon them, Allah Almighty respected 
them by calling them "hawariyyun", which is plural of "huri", which is derived 
from the root word "hur" which means a very beautiful human-creation of Allah 
Almighty.  So the word "hur" or "huri" in the Noble Quran and Arabic can refer 
to either a male or female and NOT JUST FEMALES ALONE, thus making the 
hoori-aayn or huri-aayn of Paradise be either males huri-aayn or females 
huri-aayn, because "huri-aayn" is derived from the root word "hur". 

Another Important Note: In the section below, you will see proof that a woman 
can only have one husband.  A woman can't have multiple husbands.  Only the man 
can have multiple wives.

In Paradise everyone (men and women) will live happily:

Let us look at the following Noble Verses from the Noble Quran:

"Verily the Companions of the Garden shall that Day have joy in all that they 
do;  (The Noble Quran, 36:55)" 

"(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are 
rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; 
rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. 
In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can 
those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, 
and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to 
pieces)?  (The Noble Quran, 47:15)" 

"As to those who believe and work righteous deeds, they have, for their 
entertainment, the Gardens of Paradise,  (The Noble Quran, 18:107)" 

"And those who feared their Lord will be led to the Garden in crowds: until 
behold, they arrive there; its gates will be opened; and its keepers will say: 
'Peace be upon you! well have ye done! enter ye here, to dwell therein.'  (The 
Noble Quran, 39:73)" 

"They will say: 'Praise be to God, Who has truly fulfilled His Promise to us, 
and has given us (this) land in heritage: We can dwell in the Garden as we 
will: how excellent a reward for those who work (righteousness)!'  (The Noble 
Quran, 39:74)" 

"But those who have faith and work righteousness, they are companions of the 
Garden: Therein shall they abide (For ever).  (The Noble Quran, 2:82)" 

"Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden whose 
width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the 
righteous,  (The Noble Quran, 3:133)" 

"Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall 
you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and 
admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of 
this world is but goods and chattels of deception.  (The Noble Quran, 3:185)" 

There are many more Noble Verses that elaborate on the Great Reward and Joy 
that the Believers (men and women) will have in Heaven, but I think the above 
Noble Verses are good enough to prove my point.



How come women in Islam can't have multiple husbands if they are equal to men? 

This is one of the things that I personally can't speak on behalf of GOD 
Almighty.   I can't ALWAYS tell you why or why not He chose to do certain 
things.   But throughout His Noble Revelations that started from the time of 
Adam all the way to Muhammad peace be upon them, polygany or polygamy (man 
having multiple women) is allowed (although it is highly discouraged to a point 
where it is almost prohibited in Islam to most men), where polyandry (woman 
having multiple husbands) had always been forbidden!  

Note: The word "polygamy" in the past used to mean men and women marrying 
multiple husbands and wives, meaning that the man would have multiple wives and 
each of his wives would have multiple husbands.   But today, the word had been 
modified to mean "man having multiple wives" only.  At least, this is what I 
meant it to mean in this article.  

As far as women being equal to men in Islam, well, please visit Women in Islam 
V.S. Christianity to see the many proofs that women are indeed equal to men in 
Islam and hold a very dear, respectful and honorable place in Islam, and how 
women on the other hand are nothing but "sex objects" who have no value in 
Christianity.  Islam came to liberate and free women and put them on the 
highest ranks of honor.  I provided quotes and proofs from both the Noble 
Quran, and the Bible's Old and New Testaments.



Further additions and explanations from Muslims: 

The following addition was sent to me by brother Rizan Bin Noordin; may Allah 
Almighty always be pleased with him.

Regarding the above-said article, I believe the answering-Islam team are mixing 
their views of Heaven with what they find here on Earth. In the Qur'an it is 
said: 

"And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction." - 
surah adh-Dhariyat 51:49. 

and

"And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among 
yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love 
and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who 
reflect." - surah ar-Room 30:21. 

Thus it is clear that for men there are women and vic versa. The ideas of 
gayism or lesbianism are not from the commands of Allah, but from the 
whisperings of syaitaan. 

"And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, 
such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. Do ye indeed 
approach men, and cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness (even) in your 
councils?" But his people gave no answer but this: they said: "Bring us the 
Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth. He said: "O my Lord! help Thou me 
against people who do mischief!" When Our Messengers came to Abraham with the 
good news, they said: "We are indeed going to destroy the people of this 
township: for truly they are (addicted to) crime."" - surah al-Ankabut 29:28-31.

"Those of you who turned back on the day the two hosts Met,-it was Satan who 
caused them to fail, because of some (evil) they had done. But Allah Has 
blotted out (their fault): For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing." - 
surah al-Imran 3:155. 

"From the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his 
whisper),- (The same) who whispers into the hearts of Mankind,-" - surah an-Nas 
114:4-5. 

There cannot be any whisperings or evil in heaven. Thus the essential force 
that pushes men and women towards the revolting acts are removed. The 
Earthbound idea of having relations with servants, or with people of the same 
sex are no longer in the equation of human tendencies. Our minds will be free 
of such thought, thus the answering-Islam team's allegations that there will be 
the base desires in Heaven is absurd. It is clearly revealed in surah al-Jinn. 

"'And we[the jinn] pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled 
with stern guards and flaming fire." - surah al-Jinn 72:8. 

So I believe the initial argument from the answering-Islam team is already 
wrong. They are arguing semantics while throwing out the essential message of 
the whole Qur'an. 

"O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: 
(whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose 
hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any 
lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They 
change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, "If ye are 
given this, take it, but if not, beware!" If any one's trial is intended by 
Allah, thou hast no authority in the least for him against Allah. For such - it 
is not Allah's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this 
world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment." - surah al-Maaidah 5:41. 

That is all from me brother Osama. I hope however little my efforts, I have 
helped in your cause. Please carry on your noble efforts in the spirit of 
Islam. I hope Allah protect us from speaking untruth and shelter us from the 
lies of those with an agenda against His teachings, InsyaAllah. 

Allah Ma'ak.
http://www.answering-islam.com/islamic_paradise.htm

dicky riyadi <dickyriyadi@xxxxxxxx> wrote:Pak RM Danardono...., kita buktikan 
kalo kita mati, Pak...bidadari itu cuman perumpamaan, karena akal manusia tidak 
nyampe membayangkan sorga seperti apa...,

wong kalo tidur saja kita tidak bisa tahu, dimana sebenarnya kita hayoooo?

neraka itu kekal bagi yg betul2 kafir, blas tidak percaya adanya Tuhan...

kalo masih percaya, ya ada discount lah...

yg suka nyekar itu kan cuman wong jowo..., kalo eropa kan ngasih bunga hidup, 
lalu ditanam dipusaranya biar sedep dipandang mata..

boleh saja Pak Danardono nyekar viagra,.... tidak ada larangan kok? 
betul, kan...coba lihat di Injil, tidak ada larangan begitu, juga di kitab 
lainnya..



rm_danardono wrote:
Amien mas Sigit. 

Kalau surga itu seperti gambaran akal manusia, yang syuuur sekali 
banyak bidadarinya cantik2 (lho lalu wanita yang saleh dan meninggal 
ditunggu siapa? Tom Cruise?), maka kalau nyekar ke makam, kita 
sedekahkan viagra...bukan bunga


Salam



            
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