[ppi] Re: [ppiindia] Re: Ibu presiden tak berjilbab

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pandangan liar lelaki, tidakkah anggun mereka yg pakai jilbab itu? coba 
bandingkan perasaan anda dgn wanita yg pakai jilbab dgn perempuan yg pakai mini 
skirt. Siapa yg anda mau terlebih dahulu dekati?
 
Kalau soal intelektual, banyak juga yg intelektual dan pakai jilbab.

rm_danardono <rm_danardono@xxxxxxxx> wrote:


Salah? Mengapa? Tetapi tak memakai juga tak salah. Karena sebagian 
besar wanita intellektual di Europa, AS, dan dunia makmur Non Muslim 
termasuk Jepang, Jorea, Taiwan, Sinagpura, tidak menggunakannya.

Juga kelak, kalau Adfganistan, bangla Desh sudah menyusul kemakmuran 
dan kemanjuan pendidikan negara2 makmur lainnya, akan berubah.

Seperti anda dan teman2 Muslim yang bermukim dinegara Non Muslim 
yang makmur lihat se-hari2, tak ada wanita yang diperkosa atau 
diganggu, hanya karena tak berjilbab.

Jadi untuk melindungi wanita terhadap siapa?

RMD Hadinoto


--- In ppiindia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, RG Nur Rahmat 
wrote:
> tetap saja toh yang berjilbab ini tidak salah kan? apakah lebih 
baik berpakaian sesuai yg dianjurkan agama? dan selama cukup ampuh 
untuk menahan gangguan. Apalagi dunia kita sekarang ini tidak tiba-
tba seperti sekarang ini kan? Jadi meeka yang berpegang terhadap 
jilbab cukup beruntung.
> 
> rm_danardono wrote:
> 
> >>>>>>>Pakai jilbab ini untuk manusia sendiri, khususnya wanita. 
Ayat
> berljilbab ini turun karena ada wanita muslim yg diganggu di 
pasar, 
> ayat itu turun agar wanita yang beriman supaya menutup kepala dan 
> dadanya, agar tidak diganggu.<<<<<<
> 
> 
> 
> Kalau saya pulang malam kerumah, naik tram , bus atau underground, 
> dan melihat wanita berpakaian biasa2 saja (tak pakai bikini lho), 
> misalnya yang mau ke opera atau ke concert, rambut terbuka, busana 
ya 
> sesuai musim, tak ada satu manusiapun yang mengusiknya...(tentu 
saja, 
> satu dari 1000 ada kejadian yang tak menyenangkan, namun ini bukan 
> rule). 
> 
> Juga bila sudah larut malam...Betapa bahagianya wanita dibelahan 
bumi 
> ini.
> 
> Kalau pria tak mampu menahan diri, dan menjadi aneh melihat wanita 
> yang menarik, berbusana biasa2 saja, ya ini namanya peradaban yang 
> belum jauh berkembang. Rata2 pria yang gentleman tak akan terasa 
> ter "tantang" berbuat yang tak sopan, melihat wanita berbusana 
> apapun. 
> 
> Kecuali...kalau mereka belum dewasa dalam bathin.
> 
> Di Europa hanya sebagian kecil wanita memakai busana sedemikian 
rupa, 
> agar "tak terganggu", sebagian besar relaxed saja. Juga banyak 
> wanita2 dari negeri2 Arab yang berbusana ala Europa, inipun tak 
> menarik perhatian pria samasekali...tak ada yang memalingkan 
kepala, 
> melotot, apalagi tak sopan..
> 
> Mungkin ini, 2000 tahun yang silam.
> 
> RMDH
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In ppiindia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, RG Nur Rahmat 
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > arriko.indrawan@xxxx wrote:
> > 
> > ***********************
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> > 
> > 
> > Standar Allah???
> > 
> > "Standar Allah menurut tafsiran manusia" itu yg lebih tepat...
> > Allah tahu setiap seluk beluk tubuh manusia, kenapa mesti 
ditutupin.
> > Wong, Dia yg menciptakan, koq!
> > 
> > --> Memang iya semua Alah yang menciptakan tapi manusia yang 
tidak 
> tahu setiap lekuk tubuh selalu mau lihat-lihat toh? Anda kira pake 
> jilbab ini untuk Allah? Salah besar. Pakai jilbab ini untuk 
manusia 
> sendiri, khususnya wanita. Ayat berljilbab ini turun karena ada 
> wanita muslim yg diganggu di pasar, ayat itu turun agar wanita 
yang 
> beriman supaya menutup kepala dan dadanya, agar tidak diganggu.
> > 
> > 
> 
http://www.geocities.com/alummah2000/ChastityAndHijabMuhammadJesus1.h
t
> ml
> > 
> > 33:32. O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any of the 
[other] 
> women. Therefore, if you are mindful [of your duty to God] do not 
be 
> over-soft in your speech, lest any whose heart is diseased should 
be 
> moved to desire, but speak in a proper and goodly manner.
> > 
> > 33:33. And stay in your homes, and do not flaunt your charms as 
> they used to do in the time of ignorance. Pray regularly and give 
the 
> due portion in charity, and obey God and His messenger. God just 
> wishes to remove uncleanness far from you, O members of the 
> [Prophet's] household, and lead you to complete purity.
> > 
> > 33:53. ... And when you (O believers) ask of them (the wives of 
the 
> Prophet) anything, ask of them from behind a hijab. This is purer 
for 
> your hearts and their hearts ...
> > 
> > 33:59. O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the 
women 
> of the believers to draw over them some outer garments [when in 
> public]. That is better for being recognized and not being 
annoyed. 
> God is ever forgiving, merciful.
> > 
> > The words in verse 33, "stay in your homes" seem to have 
suggested 
> to some that in Islam the ideal is almost total physical seclusion 
of 
> women through confinement to homes. But in regard to these words 
it 
> should be noted that they are addressed to the wives of the 
Prophet 
> and the passage begins with the statement that they are not like 
> other women. Moreover, the command "stay in your homes" should be 
> understood in the light of the subsequent words: "and do not 
flaunt 
> your charms as they used to do in the time of ignorance". That is, 
> the command does not exclude going out for other purposes such as 
> work or prayers or participating in some legitimate activity which 
is 
> beneficial for the woman individually or for the community at 
large. 
> This is as true of the wives of the Prophet as of other women. 
Thus, 
> in verse 59 the Prophet's wives and daughters are specifically 
> addressed along with other women and told to draw their outer 
> garments over them. This instruction will not make sense if
> > women, including wives and daughters of the Prophet were to 
always 
> stay home. Finally, in 4:32 it is taken for granted that some 
women 
> might engage in jobs or businesses, which of necessity will 
require 
> going out.
> > 
> > In verse 53 believers are told to communicate with the Prophet's 
> wives from behind a "hijab". This word means some form of barrier 
> such as a curtain that secludes one party from the other. Thus in 
> 19:17 Mary chooses seclusion (hijab) from her people to receive 
glad 
> tidings of Jesus' birth. In 7:46 it refers to a barrier that will 
> separate the people of heaven from the people of hell and in 83:15 
we 
> read that the unbelievers will be debarred (mahjub) from God. God 
is 
> said in 42:51 to speak to man only by way of inspiration or from 
> behind a hijab. In these verses the word may not refer to a 
physical 
> barrier, since God, Heaven and Hell are not physical realities in 
our 
> ordinary sense. Surah 17:45 speaks of a hidden barrier (hijab 
mastur) 
> that is created between the Prophet and the unbelievers when he 
reads 
> the Qur'an (see also 41:5). But in Islamic tradition the word has 
> come to signify one or the other of the ways whereby men and women 
to 
> varying degree separate themselves from each
> > other for the purpose of promoting modesty and chastity. Very 
> often the word is further specialized to the head cover that 
Muslim 
> women wear. However, the word used by the Qur'an for head-cover is 
> khimar. 
> > 
> > The fact that the believers can communicate with the wives of 
the 
> Prophet albeit from behind a hijab shows that the purpose of the 
> Qur'an is not to isolate women from community life.
> > 
> > In the verses of Surah 24 women were only commanded to draw 
their 
> head coverings over their bosoms while keeping the dress that they 
> normally wore, which was a long tunic, although they were told not 
to 
> display their adornments. In 33:59 they are asked to draw some 
outer 
> garments (jalabib, plural of jilbab) over them. Jilbab, in 
classical 
> Arabic means a large sheet, as we can see from the usage of the 
word 
> in Hadith (see further below). But a sown outer garment such as is 
> often used by many women in the Middle East can serve the same 
> purpose. Like khimar respectable women might have used jilbab 
cover 
> themselves over them in pre-Islamic times. The Qur'an made that 
> practice into a rule.
> > 
> > Jilbab and hijab serve the same purpose. When a woman goes 
outside 
> she covers herself by jilbab. But at home, of course, she is 
dressed 
> in a much more relaxed way. Consequently, first of all, people are 
> told to enter the house only after getting permission and second 
of 
> all women are told to speak from behind a hijab. This hijab is 
only 
> for extra convenience. Otherwise, if women are always wearing a 
> jilbab there will be no need for hijab.
> > 
> > The word used for putting the jilbab on is idna' 'ala. idna' 
means 
> to bring something near or close. Thus in the same verse (59) it 
is 
> said that it is better for being recognized, where "it is better" 
is 
> a translation of 'adna' which may be more literally 
translated, "it 
> is closer". When followed by ila the word means wrap around while 
> idna' 'ala means to put over. Thus in the verse there may be a 
word 
> play: idna' 'ala of the jilbab is 'adna' for being recognized as 
> respectable women.
> > 
> > How far jilbab should cover the woman is subject to 
interpretation. 
> Clearly, it is not intended that everything should be covered, 
since 
> at least the eyes need to remain uncovered. Some, including most 
of 
> the classical interpreters such as Tabari, Zamakhshari, Razi are 
of 
> the opinion that only eyes should be uncovered. On the other 
extreme 
> it is said that even the head need not be covered. The words 
> idna' 'ala, however, are more naturally interpreted that covering 
of 
> the head is intended. Books of Hadith can be used to support both 
> interpretations, although we will show later by a detailed 
analysis 
> of a very early hadith that in the first century hijri the face 
was 
> not covered. The interpretation that everything except the eyes 
needs 
> to be covered became a prevalent view sometimes during the second 
> century. The classical interpreters seem to be guided by this 
second-
> century prevalent view rather than by the words of the Qur'an or 
any 
> authentic hadith.
> > 
> > Against the covering of the face one may argue that this can 
cause 
> undue hardship for women, especially in hot countries and it is 
not 
> the intention of the Qur'an to make life unduly hard for believers:
> > 
> > God desires ease for you; he does not desire hardship for you 
> (2:185).
> > 
> > Another argument against the covering of the face is that in 
24:30 
> the Qur'an tells the believing men to lower their gaze. This will 
not 
> be necessary if women were to cover their faces. This argument 
will, 
> however, loose its force if the verse about jilbab came after the 
> verse about lowering gaze. Also, even after the verse about jilbab 
> there can be occasions when a person will be face to face to a 
member 
> of opposite sex and when the lowering of gaze will be relevant.
> > 
> > In interpreting any Qur'anic regulation we should keep in mind 
that 
> an interpretation stricter than the one intended can be as wrong 
as 
> an interpretation more liberal than the one intended. For, each 
time 
> when we become stricter we prohibit what God has permitted while 
each 
> time we are more liberal than the Qur'an we allow something that 
God 
> has prohibited and the Qur'an makes it clear that both are wrong 
> (5:87, 6:150, 7:32, 9:37, 66:1). It is one of the missions of the 
> Prophet to prohibit exactly what is necessary and in the 
performance 
> of this mission the Prophet sometimes lifts from earlier ummahs 
the 
> strict regulations in which they had imprisoned themselves 
(7:157), 
> either by too strict interpretations of the divine regulations or 
by 
> adding to those regulations (3:93). That people can imprison 
> themselves in stricter interpretations may seem difficult to 
> understand, for, we generally expect people to take the easy 
route. 
> There are two reasons why people may insist on stricter
> > interpretations:
> > 
> > a) The tendency to relax the requirements of a regulation for 
> making things easy for oneself are fought by the opposite tendency 
to 
> insist on stricter interpretations.
> > 
> > b) The stricter interpretation gets associated with piety and 
some 
> people who want to feel or show themselves to be very pious choose 
> the stricter interpretation without being too concerned with what 
the 
> regulation itself intends.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Kerudung/jilbab dipakai pria & wanita di wilayah yg berpadang 
> pasir...
> > Fungsinya :
> > menutupi muka, mata, hidung, mulut dan rambut dari terpaan angin 
yg 
> membawa
> > pasir
> > supaya tetap bersih dan tidak "kelilipan".
> > 
> > Di Indonesia, fungsinya apa ya??
> > Atau biar kelihatan spt orang Arab?? Biar gaya??
> > Sama khan dg orang yg berlagak ke-barat-barat-an??
> > 
> > --> Apa btul? kalo gitu suster buat apa pakai itu? lihat itu 
> kerudung suster. apa suster tidak ke-arab-araban juga mnurut anda, 
> sedangkan islam sudah memberikan alasanya sebagimana diatas, kalao 
di 
> agama anda bagaimana?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Pakaian itu yg penting : Sopan & bersih. Pake jilbab boleh, pake 
> long dress
> > boleh,
> > Pake kemben juga boleh. Terserah aja. Nggak usah pusing...
> > Gitu aja koq repot....
> > 
> > --> Itu kan kata anda, coba anda pake kemban ke gereja atau 
waktu 
> Yesus masih hidup.
> > 
> > 
> > Salam,
> > 
> > 
> > AI
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ==========================
> > 
> > From: RG Nur Rahmat 
> > Subject: Re: Re: Ibu presiden tak berjilbab
> > 
> > Ini kembali menimbulkan pertanyaan? Apa itu modesty? seberapa 
> tertutup
> > sebetulnya baju kita? Siapa yang mengeluarkan standard? Kalau 
kata
> > Al-Qur'an "tutupilah kepala dan selempangkan ke dada" begitulah 
> kira-kira,
> > jadi orang yg memakai jilbab ingin mengunakan standard Allah.
> > 
> > Apakah salah?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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