[ppi] [ppiindia] Re: Ibu presiden tak berjilbab
- From: "rm_danardono" <rm_danardono@xxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:36:58 -0000
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>>>>>>>Pakai jilbab ini untuk manusia sendiri, khususnya wanita. Ayat
berljilbab ini turun karena ada wanita muslim yg diganggu di pasar,
ayat itu turun agar wanita yang beriman supaya menutup kepala dan
dadanya, agar tidak diganggu.<<<<<<
Kalau saya pulang malam kerumah, naik tram , bus atau underground,
dan melihat wanita berpakaian biasa2 saja (tak pakai bikini lho),
misalnya yang mau ke opera atau ke concert, rambut terbuka, busana ya
sesuai musim, tak ada satu manusiapun yang mengusiknya...(tentu saja,
satu dari 1000 ada kejadian yang tak menyenangkan, namun ini bukan
rule).
Juga bila sudah larut malam...Betapa bahagianya wanita dibelahan bumi
ini.
Kalau pria tak mampu menahan diri, dan menjadi aneh melihat wanita
yang menarik, berbusana biasa2 saja, ya ini namanya peradaban yang
belum jauh berkembang. Rata2 pria yang gentleman tak akan terasa
ter "tantang" berbuat yang tak sopan, melihat wanita berbusana
apapun.
Kecuali...kalau mereka belum dewasa dalam bathin.
Di Europa hanya sebagian kecil wanita memakai busana sedemikian rupa,
agar "tak terganggu", sebagian besar relaxed saja. Juga banyak
wanita2 dari negeri2 Arab yang berbusana ala Europa, inipun tak
menarik perhatian pria samasekali...tak ada yang memalingkan kepala,
melotot, apalagi tak sopan..
Mungkin ini, 2000 tahun yang silam.
RMDH
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> Standar Allah???
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> "Standar Allah menurut tafsiran manusia" itu yg lebih tepat...
> Allah tahu setiap seluk beluk tubuh manusia, kenapa mesti ditutupin.
> Wong, Dia yg menciptakan, koq!
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> --> Memang iya semua Alah yang menciptakan tapi manusia yang tidak
tahu setiap lekuk tubuh selalu mau lihat-lihat toh? Anda kira pake
jilbab ini untuk Allah? Salah besar. Pakai jilbab ini untuk manusia
sendiri, khususnya wanita. Ayat berljilbab ini turun karena ada
wanita muslim yg diganggu di pasar, ayat itu turun agar wanita yang
beriman supaya menutup kepala dan dadanya, agar tidak diganggu.
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http://www.geocities.com/alummah2000/ChastityAndHijabMuhammadJesus1.ht
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> 33:32. O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any of the [other]
women. Therefore, if you are mindful [of your duty to God] do not be
over-soft in your speech, lest any whose heart is diseased should be
moved to desire, but speak in a proper and goodly manner.
>
> 33:33. And stay in your homes, and do not flaunt your charms as
they used to do in the time of ignorance. Pray regularly and give the
due portion in charity, and obey God and His messenger. God just
wishes to remove uncleanness far from you, O members of the
[Prophet's] household, and lead you to complete purity.
>
> 33:53. ... And when you (O believers) ask of them (the wives of the
Prophet) anything, ask of them from behind a hijab. This is purer for
your hearts and their hearts ...
>
> 33:59. O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women
of the believers to draw over them some outer garments [when in
public]. That is better for being recognized and not being annoyed.
God is ever forgiving, merciful.
>
> The words in verse 33, "stay in your homes" seem to have suggested
to some that in Islam the ideal is almost total physical seclusion of
women through confinement to homes. But in regard to these words it
should be noted that they are addressed to the wives of the Prophet
and the passage begins with the statement that they are not like
other women. Moreover, the command "stay in your homes" should be
understood in the light of the subsequent words: "and do not flaunt
your charms as they used to do in the time of ignorance". That is,
the command does not exclude going out for other purposes such as
work or prayers or participating in some legitimate activity which is
beneficial for the woman individually or for the community at large.
This is as true of the wives of the Prophet as of other women. Thus,
in verse 59 the Prophet's wives and daughters are specifically
addressed along with other women and told to draw their outer
garments over them. This instruction will not make sense if
> women, including wives and daughters of the Prophet were to always
stay home. Finally, in 4:32 it is taken for granted that some women
might engage in jobs or businesses, which of necessity will require
going out.
>
> In verse 53 believers are told to communicate with the Prophet's
wives from behind a "hijab". This word means some form of barrier
such as a curtain that secludes one party from the other. Thus in
19:17 Mary chooses seclusion (hijab) from her people to receive glad
tidings of Jesus' birth. In 7:46 it refers to a barrier that will
separate the people of heaven from the people of hell and in 83:15 we
read that the unbelievers will be debarred (mahjub) from God. God is
said in 42:51 to speak to man only by way of inspiration or from
behind a hijab. In these verses the word may not refer to a physical
barrier, since God, Heaven and Hell are not physical realities in our
ordinary sense. Surah 17:45 speaks of a hidden barrier (hijab mastur)
that is created between the Prophet and the unbelievers when he reads
the Qur'an (see also 41:5). But in Islamic tradition the word has
come to signify one or the other of the ways whereby men and women to
varying degree separate themselves from each
> other for the purpose of promoting modesty and chastity. Very
often the word is further specialized to the head cover that Muslim
women wear. However, the word used by the Qur'an for head-cover is
khimar.
>
> The fact that the believers can communicate with the wives of the
Prophet albeit from behind a hijab shows that the purpose of the
Qur'an is not to isolate women from community life.
>
> In the verses of Surah 24 women were only commanded to draw their
head coverings over their bosoms while keeping the dress that they
normally wore, which was a long tunic, although they were told not to
display their adornments. In 33:59 they are asked to draw some outer
garments (jalabib, plural of jilbab) over them. Jilbab, in classical
Arabic means a large sheet, as we can see from the usage of the word
in Hadith (see further below). But a sown outer garment such as is
often used by many women in the Middle East can serve the same
purpose. Like khimar respectable women might have used jilbab cover
themselves over them in pre-Islamic times. The Qur'an made that
practice into a rule.
>
> Jilbab and hijab serve the same purpose. When a woman goes outside
she covers herself by jilbab. But at home, of course, she is dressed
in a much more relaxed way. Consequently, first of all, people are
told to enter the house only after getting permission and second of
all women are told to speak from behind a hijab. This hijab is only
for extra convenience. Otherwise, if women are always wearing a
jilbab there will be no need for hijab.
>
> The word used for putting the jilbab on is idna' 'ala. idna' means
to bring something near or close. Thus in the same verse (59) it is
said that it is better for being recognized, where "it is better" is
a translation of 'adna' which may be more literally translated, "it
is closer". When followed by ila the word means wrap around while
idna' 'ala means to put over. Thus in the verse there may be a word
play: idna' 'ala of the jilbab is 'adna' for being recognized as
respectable women.
>
> How far jilbab should cover the woman is subject to interpretation.
Clearly, it is not intended that everything should be covered, since
at least the eyes need to remain uncovered. Some, including most of
the classical interpreters such as Tabari, Zamakhshari, Razi are of
the opinion that only eyes should be uncovered. On the other extreme
it is said that even the head need not be covered. The words
idna' 'ala, however, are more naturally interpreted that covering of
the head is intended. Books of Hadith can be used to support both
interpretations, although we will show later by a detailed analysis
of a very early hadith that in the first century hijri the face was
not covered. The interpretation that everything except the eyes needs
to be covered became a prevalent view sometimes during the second
century. The classical interpreters seem to be guided by this second-
century prevalent view rather than by the words of the Qur'an or any
authentic hadith.
>
> Against the covering of the face one may argue that this can cause
undue hardship for women, especially in hot countries and it is not
the intention of the Qur'an to make life unduly hard for believers:
>
> God desires ease for you; he does not desire hardship for you
(2:185).
>
> Another argument against the covering of the face is that in 24:30
the Qur'an tells the believing men to lower their gaze. This will not
be necessary if women were to cover their faces. This argument will,
however, loose its force if the verse about jilbab came after the
verse about lowering gaze. Also, even after the verse about jilbab
there can be occasions when a person will be face to face to a member
of opposite sex and when the lowering of gaze will be relevant.
>
> In interpreting any Qur'anic regulation we should keep in mind that
an interpretation stricter than the one intended can be as wrong as
an interpretation more liberal than the one intended. For, each time
when we become stricter we prohibit what God has permitted while each
time we are more liberal than the Qur'an we allow something that God
has prohibited and the Qur'an makes it clear that both are wrong
(5:87, 6:150, 7:32, 9:37, 66:1). It is one of the missions of the
Prophet to prohibit exactly what is necessary and in the performance
of this mission the Prophet sometimes lifts from earlier ummahs the
strict regulations in which they had imprisoned themselves (7:157),
either by too strict interpretations of the divine regulations or by
adding to those regulations (3:93). That people can imprison
themselves in stricter interpretations may seem difficult to
understand, for, we generally expect people to take the easy route.
There are two reasons why people may insist on stricter
> interpretations:
>
> a) The tendency to relax the requirements of a regulation for
making things easy for oneself are fought by the opposite tendency to
insist on stricter interpretations.
>
> b) The stricter interpretation gets associated with piety and some
people who want to feel or show themselves to be very pious choose
the stricter interpretation without being too concerned with what the
regulation itself intends.
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> Kerudung/jilbab dipakai pria & wanita di wilayah yg berpadang
pasir...
> Fungsinya :
> menutupi muka, mata, hidung, mulut dan rambut dari terpaan angin yg
membawa
> pasir
> supaya tetap bersih dan tidak "kelilipan".
>
> Di Indonesia, fungsinya apa ya??
> Atau biar kelihatan spt orang Arab?? Biar gaya??
> Sama khan dg orang yg berlagak ke-barat-barat-an??
>
> --> Apa btul? kalo gitu suster buat apa pakai itu? lihat itu
kerudung suster. apa suster tidak ke-arab-araban juga mnurut anda,
sedangkan islam sudah memberikan alasanya sebagimana diatas, kalao di
agama anda bagaimana?
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> Pakaian itu yg penting : Sopan & bersih. Pake jilbab boleh, pake
long dress
> boleh,
> Pake kemben juga boleh. Terserah aja. Nggak usah pusing...
> Gitu aja koq repot....
>
> --> Itu kan kata anda, coba anda pake kemban ke gereja atau waktu
Yesus masih hidup.
>
>
> Salam,
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> AI
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> From: RG Nur Rahmat
> Subject: Re: Re: Ibu presiden tak berjilbab
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> Ini kembali menimbulkan pertanyaan? Apa itu modesty? seberapa
tertutup
> sebetulnya baju kita? Siapa yang mengeluarkan standard? Kalau kata
> Al-Qur'an "tutupilah kepala dan selempangkan ke dada" begitulah
kira-kira,
> jadi orang yg memakai jilbab ingin mengunakan standard Allah.
>
> Apakah salah?
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