[ppi] Re: [ppiindia] Bantuan Amerika

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--- Dick Channey <channey2004@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Great, guys! 
>  
> Who has helped to slaughter the poor Indonesians?
> Not the Moslems? 

Mengapa tiba-tiba lari ke soal agama, Mr.
Cheney?eh...Mr. Channey?


Who were so happy that the
> Indonesians were killed in 1965/66? Not your group?

They all human beings, Mister. Banyak orang tak
bersalah terbantai .... Kenapa Anda lagi-lagi
menggunakan agama untuk memojokkan argumen saya?
Bagaimana pula Anda bisa menyebut "your group"? Tahu
dari mana?


> Who has helped the re-birth of the Islamic partys in
> Indonesia? Not the US?

NOT the US, Mister. It's not their interests.

  
> A part of the fund given by the US was grants. Do
> you understand the meaning of grants?


Baca ulang statement saya: SEBAGIAN BESAR (artinya
tidak semua). 

Sebagian besar dari apa yang disebut "bantuan" itu
> sebetulnya pinjaman, yang harus dibayar lagi dengan
> bunga..... 

>  
> Do you think, the Indonesian governments will be
> able to really repay the debts (if all of the
> assistances will be understood as debts)?

Why not? Jika semua pinjaman dikelola dengan benar...


> Have you the courage to saya : "Go to hell with you,
> US, and we will ban the US interests in Indonesia"?

Why should I? Amerika dan Indonesia tidak bermusuhan.
Semua negara punya kepentingan nasional. Itu sah-sah
saja. Yang penting, bagaimana hubungan itu saling
menguntungkan. 

> Wouldn't you and your family be killed by the
> Comunists without the protection of the US?
>  

Sorry, I believe in God, not US.....

> 
> Satrio Arismunandar <satrioarismunandar@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> Ya. Ratusan ribu orang dibantai di Indonesia pada
> 1966
> atas restu dan data yang disuplai CIA kepada
> Suharto....
> 
> Apa uang Amerika bisa mengganti nyawa ratusan ribu
> (mungkin jutaan) orang Indonesia? Apa nilai uang
> dollar Amerika di atas segala-galanya....????
> 
> Sebagian besar dari apa yang disebut "bantuan" itu
> sebetulnya pinjaman, yang harus dibayar lagi dengan
> bunga..... (nggak usah basa-basi ah!)
> 
> 
> --- Dick Channey <channey2004@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > It is indeed typical Indonesian behaviour:  we
> were
> > and are happy having got the assistance and
> supports
> > from the United States, since 1945. At the same
> time
> > we keep telling, the Americans are bandits...
> >  
> > Who has educated and trained most of our elites?
> > Mujaheeddin? Talibans? Palestinians? the Hamas? 
> >  
> > Who bought and is buying Indonesian's oil? Egypt?
> > Afganistan? Palestine?
> >  
> > What has Indonesia performed to linger the fate of
> > the so many poor nations in the world?  Talking
> and
> > talking and talking..
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > amartien <amartien@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > 
> > "gimana juga dengan kelakuan amerika yg suka
> > mengulingkan pemerintahan yg sah dipilih rakyat
> > seperti yg terjadi di amerika latin."  
> > 
> > Dasar dari pada pendapat ini apa?
> > 
> > "Mungkin karena rasa bersalahnya amerika juga
> perlu
> > bagi-bagi dikit harta jarahannya."    
> > 
> > Contoh Amrik menjarah?.  
> > 
> > contoh menjarah:
> > 
> > Waktu Irak nya Saddam Hussein menduduki Kuwait,
> > kekayaan kuwait di jarah baik oleh pemerintahan
> > Saddam maupun oleh tentaranya.  Uang di bank di
> > habiskan, isi dari pada museum pun di bawa ke
> Irak. 
> > Bukan itu saja, waktu mereka di halau keluar dari
> > irak oleh tentara koalisi, mereka sengaja membakar
> > ladang2 minyak yang bukan saja merugikan Kuwait
> > tetapi juga mempunyai dampak yang sangat negatif
> > terhadap lingkungan.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Fri 09/03, RG Nur Rahmat <
> > garnizoon70@xxxxxxxxx > wrote:
> > From: RG Nur Rahmat [mailto:
> garnizoon70@xxxxxxxxx]
> > To: ppiindia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 22:07:44 -0700 (PDT)
> > Subject: RE: [ppiindia] Bantuan Amerika
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