[PCWorks] Fixed finally-Re: The audio and video of video clips are "stuttering" on Win98SE
- From: "Clint Hamilton-PCWorks Admin-OrpheusComputing.com & ComputersCustomBuilt.com" <PCWorks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pcworks@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:14:38 -0600
I finally got this fixed. I'm exhausted with no sleep, so I'll
"try" and keep my "composure".
Those of you that have known me for years, may have heard from
the list how I feel about mobo manufacturers and how they are
morons and idiots that couldn't care less about their products.
Crappy drivers, WRONG DRIVERS, etc. The microcephalic JERKS at
Biostar, have THE WRONG DRIVERS for the audio on this
motherboard!! And those !!#&%$#@ IDIOTS have wasted several
hours of my time, and prevented me from shipping this PC today.
This is nothing new, mobo manufacturers have a LONG HISTORY of
putting the wrong crap at their websites for driver downloads,
and I've been the victim of this for over 10 years. They still
cannot learn to SIMPLY CHECK the files they have for downloads.
Nooooooooo, that's to "hard" for them to do. <permanent
spacebar indentation on my forehead for repeatedly banging my
head on the keyboard>
Also note, that the "certified" (ha ha) nVidia driver package
from nVidia themselves, was ALSO a POS. It was those audio
drivers that CAUSED the stuttering video. "Nice going" to them
as well.
After reinstalling DX9 like I said below, installing and
uninstalling the **alleged** new audio drivers from Biostar
countless times using different methods of both the
self-extracting archive and the unpacked files, I decided to
try the Realtek audio drivers on the CD that came with the
board. Now, not only is everything back to normal, but this
actually fixed the original problem of the stuttering video!
The reason I decided to try and use the Realtek drivers was I
saw a M$ page that mentioned something about stuttering video,
and they said something about the incorrect or bad audio
drivers being installed. So that's what prompted me to take a
look at the audio drivers. How this can affect VIDEO, I do not
know. I can only guess that the audio drivers also have in
them some kinds of specific media codecs that also affect
video.
What can others learn from this? Well I've never been one that
agrees with "first, install the latest drivers for [your
product]", because the latest drivers have not been out long
enough usually to be TRUSTED, this is yet another example that
proves this, (and also proves again how dim-witted some mobo
manufacturers are). Even if they have been out long enough,
what is on the CD is the best to install. Evidently, they put
work into those drivers, whereas the newer drivers available
for download are "install at your own risk".
In the event your drivers ARE working, DON'T MESS WITH THEM.
In this case, they were not working, so I had to try other
options. If you must use newer drivers, newer than what's on
the CD (or if the hardware didn't come with driver CD), and you
have to get them from the hardware vendor's site, BEWARE.
Don't install the very latest versions unless they are 2 or
more years old. Even then, do a search for the downloads'
names with a cross-search operator for things like:
problems OR issues OR messed up OR screwed up OR
...you get the idea.
Hopefully the search engines will pick up this thread in the
archives and help someone else out of bind BEFORE they begin to
spit blood. LOL.
Thanks again to Biostar. <muffled cursing> LOL.
-Clint
God Bless
Clint Hamilton, Owner
http://www.OrpheusComputing.com
http://www.ComputersCustomBuilt.com
----- Original Message -----
It just keeps getting worse and worse. I finally found 3 pages
that said the fix to this was reinstalling DX9. Wrong. I
tried it, same thing, same error in the Device Manager.
-Clint
----- Original Message -----
Well no, that won't fix the problem. ;-) The issue will still
be there.
I've since removed the AC97 codec, then installed the Realtek
850 drivers. BIG MISTAKE. Now the SOB won't even load the
audio at all! So for the past hour I've been search for the
fix for:
"The NTKKERN.VXD, MMDEVLDR.VXD device loader(s) could not load
the device driver (Code 2).
To fix this, click update driver to update the device driver."
Which is shown in the Device Manager now for the audio, there's
a yellow ! mark next to it. And I can't find JACK on it. It's
a common problem and all I see is people asking it, but no
answers on how to fix it! BOTH of those files ARE ON the HD.
-Clint
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kaulback"
Have you tried Quicktime?
It works for me sometimes, or to use a Livecd if 98 won't work
properly.
Peter Kaulback
Clint Hamilton-PCWorks Admin-OrpheusComputing.com &
ComputersCustomBuilt.com wrote:
> I tried to play some .wmv file I took off of my PC to see
> what
> that would do, and it didn't play properly, it played sort of
> the mpg originally did I mentioned below, but this wmv caused
> a
> BSOD.
>
> After searching for more into on this all this time, I
> installed another codec package I found at the M$ site. I
> then
> opened the same .mpg file I mentioned below, and it was
> FIXED....I thought. When it got to the end, it did the EXACT
> SAME thing that the .avi files are doing that I mentioned
> below!! The codec package apparently made it play like a
> .avi
> file!!
>
> I then played that wmv file off of my PC again, and it played
> the same choppy way, but no BSOD. I THEN played that .mpg
> file
> again, and it was BACK TO STUTTERING as it ORIGINALLY did!
> What the ------ is going on here??
> -Clint
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>
> I've been banging my head on this one. This is a customer's
> PC which has no problems. (Brand new, and OS just
> installed).
> It's 98SE, he had to have that due to some special software.
> There are no yellow marks in the Device Manager, and no IRQ
> conflicts.
>
> This is an nVidia chipset based mobo, AMD platform,
> http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdetails.asp?model=nf325-a7, and
> this time I installed the complete nVidia driver package
> which
> included the audio drivers:
> http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce_udp_win9x_4.27.html .
> Previously on the test run I installed the audio drivers from
> Realtek (and the mobo drivers on the CD). The nVidia
> package only installs some basic AC97 Codec audio, where as
> the
> Realtek files have support for enhanced features set such as
> DirectSound acceleration (playback buffers), multi-channel,
> audio enhancement, and sometimes will sound inferior to the
> vendor's own driver. But, I don't think that would have
> anything to do with this, because the problem is with video
> files, but it's both audio AND video. (I didn't now about
> the
> differences in driver packages until after the fact).
>
> Win98SE has Windows Media Player 6.0.x on it, so I installed
> WMP Classic which is 6.4.9.0. That didn't help.
>
> So the problem is on .avi video files, both the audio and
> video
> play PERFECT, the FIRST TIME. But when the video goes to
> repeat, it hangs up for several seconds at the very end with
> a
> blank screen, then finally starts again, and close to the
> beginning at the EXACT SAME SPOT every time, the audio will
> start going into some kind of a "loop" where like 2 words are
> repeated over and over again, 5-8 times. Shortly after, the
> video will freeze up briefly but the audio will continue. If
> I
> close the video, and open it again, it's the same way;
> perfect
> the first time, but messes up thereafter.
>
> On .mpg video files, the files will NOT PLAY correctly AT
> ALL.
> The audio and video both stutter, and I can see the progress
> bar also stuttering. The audio sounds like some things are
> skipped, and also like words are sort of "jammed together"
> like
> two people talking at the same time. BUT, in the .mpg files
> it
> WILL continue on to the very end and start again ok just as
> it
> should!
>
> I thought the problem could be codec related, so I installed
> two different large audio/video codec packages, and NO HELP!!
> This page closely describes the problem, but I tried to
> install
> it and it's only for WMP7!!
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/305396
>
> What really has be baffled on this, is the videos are the
> video
> clips that's ON THE WIN98SE CD! So there is no reason why
> they
> should not play perfectly on a basic install! No updates are
> patches have been installed, but again that should not matter
> with these video clips that are from the '98 CD. (Yes, they
> exhibit the same behavior when the clips are copied to the
> HD).
>
> The problem is not slow hardware or memory, because the CPU
> is
> a Sempron 3000+, 1gb RAM, a WD740ADFD Raptor, and an nVidia
> GeForce 8x AGP 128mb FX5200:
> http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/VGA/Products_Spec.aspx?ProductID=1240
>
> I ran that Direct X Diagnostic tool under "System
> Information"
> and it passed all DX tests. DX9c has been installed.
> However,
> when I tried the "Sound" tabs and ran those tests, it DID NOT
> play the "Software buffer" accelerated tests, it only
> played/passed the HARDWARE accelerated tests. I would guess
> that's due to the nVidia drivers installed instead of the
> Realtek. But again, that is AUDIO, and the problem is VIDEO
> clips. So I don't see how that could be the problem.
>
> I'm rather lost on what to try next. Any suggestions
> appreciated.
> -Clint
>
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