Hello Group, I am so frustrated I could take an axe to this thing. I did some windows updates last week and when I did a defrag the system restarted itself which is unusual for this machine. I did the three fingered salute and found something named KB891711. Further hunting around with Dr Watson tells me that the KB891711.exe Version 4.10.2222 component has altered the system files. Because it is an .exe I thought it may have been a nasty but Trend Micro found nothing. All I can find out is that is a patch from Microsoft. I downloaded a proggy called SpyBouncer and when I tried to open it I got a box telling me that there was a run-time error 429 and that "Active X can't create object". I thought I might have been able to delete it (KB891711.exe)........after all, I got on ok before I did the windows update!............. no, not allowed to do that, windows is using it ......What for may I ask???????? Are these problems related or just two more #*^^#!#+** problems I have to deal with? Yours in tears, Lyn -- <Please delete this line and everything below.> To unsub or change your email settings: //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk To access our Archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/