-=PCTechTalk=- Thank you Mr. Moderator

Already ended!  See my last message to the group.  As I explained in an 
offline message to milady, we were talking about two different things. 
Facts versus SUPPOSED facts.  I agree with everything she said... as applied 
to supposed facts.

I think she took offense to my saying that Firefox is vulnerable and instead 
of trying to prove my statement wrong she tried to argue that my use of the 
word "fact" was wrong.

The inferences or conclusions that a person draws from a fact or set of 
facts will vary with their point of view.  However, that does NOT change the 
fact(s) one iota.

Don


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Keyboard Cowboy" <KBCowboy@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Don" <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Symantec: Mozilla browsers more vulnerable than 
IE


> Ok guys....I asked that this one kind of slow.
> I think What milady was trying to say was she wanted to have her
> thought/idea/opinion accepted as OK for her.....and not feel like she
> was being told she was "wrong".....that "facts" made her
> thought/idea/opinion wrong.  Bottom line, it's about how the message
> is delivered....not the data (sometimes called facts, thorough often
> "facts" are opinions of experts and pundents, not truly "facts").
>
> Bottom line here is we all have our own thoughts on what works and
> doesn't.  Two ideas can truly oppose each other.....and ultimately
> neither is "wrong".
>
> Lets move on to other topics....this one has reached the point where
> it's not about how to help, it's a "who's right" issue now.
>
>
>   Regards from
>
> Bob -- the "Keyboard Cowboy",
>           ,,,,,,,,
>          Ô¿Ô¬
> Cincinnati, Ohio - Scottsdale, Arizona
> -----------------------------------------------
> Thursday, 9/22/2005, @ 12:05:18 PM EST
> -----------------------------------------------
> Yesterday was the past, tomorrow is the future, and today is a gift,
> that is why they call it the present!
>
>
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>
> On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:03:47 -0400, Don wrote:
> [-]   What you say is accurate when applied to "supposed facts" or
> [-]   theories and hypotheses, but...
> [-]
> [-]   A "supposed fact" is not a fact.  It is a "supposed fact".
> [-]   Literally ANY statement can be a "supposed fact".  If I were
> [-]   talking about "supposed fact" I would have used that phrase or
> [-]   words like "theory" and "hypothesis".
> [-]
> [-]   A supposed fact does indeed have several and possibly billions
> of
> [-]   ways to be looked at and they would vary considerably depending
> [-]   on who was doing the looking.  Many people confuse opinion with
> [-]   fact.  For example... only one of these statements is a FACT,
> the
> [-]   other is only an opinion despite the number of people that
> [-]   believe both are facts:
> [-]
> [-]   George W. Bush is the current President of the U. S.
> [-]   George W. Bush, as President of the U.S., is an incompetent ass.
> [-]
> [-]   It is possible, and probably likely, that BOTH are facts, but
> not
> [-]   until a method is developed to confirm the second one.
> [-]
> [-]
> [-]   a.. A fact is an expression which represents a true statement in
> [-]   the current world state. www.laas.fr/~felix/dekartes/propice-
> [-]   doc/node224.html
> [-]
> [-]   a.. What has really happened or is the case; truth; reality: in
> [-]   fact rather than theory, the fact of the matter is; something
> [-]   known to have happened; a truth known by actual experience or
> [-]   observation: scientists work with facts. Oxford Dictionary
> [-]   www.actualfreedom.com.au/library/glossary/glossary-e.htm
> [-]
> [-]   Type this "define:fact" without the quote marks into your Google
> [-]   search bar for more definitions.
> [-]
> [-]   Everyody has a different take on reality.  That does not affect
> a
> [-]   fact. Just because somebody sees reality a little different and
> [-]   insists that Dallas, TX is the capitol of the United States,
> does
> [-]   not make that a fact. It might make it a fact in her own mind,
> [-]   but it is still unsubstantiated and Washington, D.C. is still
> the
> [-]   capitol.  And Firefox is still vulnerable.
> [-]
> [-]   This topic has strayed too far from the topic of this list.
> That
> [-]   is a FACT. Please direct any replies to dsw32952@xxxxxxxxxx
> [-]   Replies elsewhere will be ignored.
> [-]
> [-]   Don
> [-]
> [-]
> [-]   ----- Original Message -----
> [-]   From: " milady" <kg6ocz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [-]   To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [-]   Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:51 AM
> [-]   Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Symantec: Mozilla browsers more
> [-]   vulnerable than IE
> [-]
> [-]
> [-]  [-]   Beggin your pardon BUT--Still a maybe. Yes SOME facts are
> [-]  [-]   an absolute. However depending on the situation  some
> [-]  [-]   supposed FACTS are not ALWAYS accurate?  OR the REAL
> [-]  [-]   facts?... what is reality to one isn't necessarily that to
> [-]  [-]   another.  JMHO...
> [-]  [-]
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