-=PCTechTalk=- Re: weird

Here is what I wrote on this topic a few weeks ago...

Don wrote:
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: " milady" <kg6ocz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| To: "pctecktalk" <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
| Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:35 AM
| Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- How many? Brumble
|
|
|| I now have Adaware, Spybot, and ISP spyware scanner, Spywareblaster,
|| AND this MS Beta program for spyware. I wonder just how many of
|| these things do I really need?..pretty soon I will have nothing but
|| programs to find junk?...When is enough, enough. ??? oh AND firewall
|| and AV...
|
| Hi Mary Lou,
|
| Please read the "editorial" in issues 119 and 120 of The Tech Support
| Alert newsletter.   That will answer your question a lot better than
| I could.
|
| http://www.techsupportalert.com/
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Since then he has added two more editorials to the topic so check out the 
later issues also... especially part four where he discusses adding a fourth 
layer of protection to your computer.

Don






----- Original Message ----- 
From: " milady" <kg6ocz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:59 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: weird


>I AM clueless in most all of this question stuff..it looks like greek to
> me..
> Yep all systems are different..I have teatimer activated and it DOES slow
> things down.  About the same as MS did..
> Will go have a look at possibilities.....I will buy if it works well and
> does better than freebies but not because it's buyable.
> thanks
> ML
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Davisunit" <davist@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:30 AM
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: weird
>
>
> I've never noticed MS Antispyware slowing things down after installing
> it on multiple machines, but we see different things happen with our
> different setups.  The program popups are important so you can teach it
> what is good/bad (very much like interacting with a firewall softare).
> It doesn't know everything.  They usually have options to temporarily
> enable/disable if you are absolutely clueless about the information it's
> giving you, but best to educate yourself on each one so you can make an
> informed decision.  Protecting yourself is a sad reality of modern
> internet use.
> If you're looking to buy a program, you might find this review
> interesting http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,119572,00.asp
> and I'd recommend searching for other reviews (more heads are better
> than one) just to get a good feel for what is actually good.
>
> Terry
>
> milady wrote:
>
>>Thanks for all your info. DO appreciate. I have XP. Two things I noticed
>>about MS were I didn't understand the popups..what they weresaying made no
>>sense asking me to ok or not stuff I had no idea whether was yes or no. so
>>THAT stumped me. ..and it slowed my system WAY down.... I HAVE counterspy
>>downloaded but I have to pay for it before I can use it..which I don't 
>>mind
>>but wonder if it's any better than MS...and worth paying.  It confused me
>>too but then I often have trouble with comprehension...  hmmmmm. still
>>struggling.
>>ML
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Davisunit" <davist@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 6:43 AM
>>Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: weird
>>
>>
>>milady wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>OK,,NOW I gotta problem??? How do I know if things do or don't need
>>>changing? AND do I have to set this teatimer situation? or is it self 
>>>set.
>>>I
>>>don't know what to look for in the help section..I NEVER ask the right
>>>question or know what to look for... sighhhhhhhhh phhhht...
>>>ML
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Sometimes it's difficult to know WHAT things you do or don't need.  Some
>>are obvious - like if you are installing software, there is often
>>changes made to the registry, and the info onscreen in Tea Timer will
>>give you a clue. When it's not so obvious, you'll have to do a little
>>research - using Google, this mailing list, etc.  Tea Timer is not self
>>set, you have to manually enable it within Spybot menu : Mode/Advanced,
>>click Tools on the bottom/left, then Resident on the left, then the
>>checkbox to the right "Resident TeaTimer (Protection of over-all system
>>settings) active".  You will then see a new icon in the tray.
>>The latest version of TeaTimer has a video glitch with its' poupup
>>buttons, so you may find MS Antispyware a better (also free) option at
>>the moment, and it's also more user friendly than TeaTimer, but not sure
>>if it's compatible with Win9x/Me.
>>
>>Terry
>>
>>
>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "~OoO~" <sirtroth@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:56 PM
>>>Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: weird
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes... monitors for stuff trying to make changes to your config files.
>>>
>>>---Troth
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>[mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of milady
>>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:47 PM
>>>To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: weird
>>>
>>>Is that what teatimer is about--activemonitoring?...
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Davisunit" <davist@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:43 PM
>>>Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: weird
>>>
>>>
>>>One note about Adwatch - it's only available in the paid version,
>>>whereas Tea Timer is free.
>>>
>>>Terry
>>>
>>>~OoO~ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The pay and free version of ZoneAlarm aren't really that different. The
>>>>actual firewall is the same thing, just the pay version packs in a few
>>>>extra
>>>>features that most people don't use anyways.
>>>>
>>>>If you want just two antispyware apps, I would use Ad-Aware and Spybot,
>>>>as
>>>>these are the most common (although not necessarily the better ones). 
>>>>For
>>>>myself, I like these two best. Ad-Aware is RE-active, meaning it cleans
>>>>up
>>>>the mess after you have it. But, it includes ADWATCH which is 
>>>>PRO-active,
>>>>meaning it supposed to work to prevent infections in the first place.
>>>>Same
>>>>thing with Spybot. On face value, its RE-active, but its got a 
>>>>background
>>>>app (I think called Tea Timer, or something like that) that runs in the
>>>>background to prevent infections.
>>>>
>>>>---Troth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of milady
>>>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:59 PM
>>>>To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: weird
>>>>
>>>>I now have Ad-aware, spybot, A2square, spywareblaster and my ISPspyware
>>>>scanner--bit of overkill I think...and none of the manual run pick up 
>>>>the
>>>>same thing.   I would like two but picking WHICH to is  mind
>>>>boggling...it's
>>>>
>>>>almost enough to drive a person to drunk or foreget the whole
>>>>thang!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>I too have Norton..just recently updated to a new version..AND Zonealarm
>>>>but
>>>>
>>>>mine is the free version.
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: "~OoO~" <sirtroth@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 6:25 AM
>>>>Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: weird
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Which is the reason you don't only use one antispyware app.
>>>>:o)
>>>>
>>>>---Troth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>[mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don
>>>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:54 AM
>>>>To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: weird
>>>>
>>>>Please be aware that the adware/spyware made by Claria (GATOR to those
>>>>that
>>>>have been around a while) and now owned by Microsoft has been downgraded
>>>>by
>>>>MS AntiSpyware.  It used to be found and suggested to be deleted.  Now 
>>>>it
>>>>is
>>>>
>>>>simply ignored.
>>>>
>>>>And now, its time for that ever popular TV show... Who Do you Trust?
>>>>
>>>>Google on Claria for about a million hits... the first few should have
>>>>stories on this.
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: "~OoO~" <sirtroth@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:59 AM
>>>>Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: weird
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>For myself...
>>>>>
>>>>>I run Ad-Aware, Spybot, SpywareBlaser once a week.
>>>>>
>>>>>Microsoft AntiSpyware (only recently added to the mix) is always 
>>>>>running
>>>>>=
>>>>>in the background, and does an auto scan every night at approximately =
>>>>>3:00am (set to automatically do it), as well as auto-update daily.
>>>>>
>>>>>Norton AntiVirus is my antivirus app which is always running in the =
>>>>>background, and updates itself automatically daily. Full scans I don't 
>>>>>=
>>>>>do on an auto-schedule, but on occasion when I have nothing better to 
>>>>>do
>>>>>=
>>>>>I will run a full scan self-initiated.
>>>>>
>>>>>I run ZoneAlarm for my firewall needs, but I also have a D-Link router 
>>>>>=
>>>>>which provides some basic hardware firewall protection as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>All this... PLUS... Scandisk runs automatically every night, to =
>>>>>hopefully isolate any drive errors, and defrag I do myself about once a
>>>>>=
>>>>>month (should be much more frequent, however, as I have a lot of files 
>>>>>=
>>>>>that are always being shifted from point to point).
>>>>>
>>>>>____________________________________
>>>>>Sir Troth
>>>>>ICQ #1717439
>>>>>AIM/AOL: SirTrothX
>>>>>Yahoo: SirTroth
>>>>>MSN: SirTroth@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>     (do not email me here)
>>>>>My Personal Email: SirTroth@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>--------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>=20
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =
>>>>>[mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of milady
>>>>>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 12:46 AM
>>>>>To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: -=3DPCTechTalk=3D- Re: weird
>>>>>
>>>>>I got all that stuff stored .  I just refuse to run a dozen of these=20
>>>>>programs..but one sure doesn't begin to seem close to good =
>>>>>enough..question=20
>>>>>IS which SEVERAL??? Gets OLD trying to figure out..
>>>>>ml
>>>>>----- Original Message -----=20
>>>>>From: "~OoO~" <sirtroth@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:58 PM
>>>>>Subject: -=3DPCTechTalk=3D- Re: weird
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You'll just never know that your system is 100% clean. You just run 
>>>>>what
>>>>>=
>>>>>=3D
>>>>>you can and try to be as safe as possible. As an example, my second =3D
>>>>>system that runs a server has all the popular adware/spyware apps, plus
>>>>>=
>>>>>=3D
>>>>>a hardware AND software firewall, plus the standard antivirus app, and 
>>>>>=
>>>>>=3D
>>>>>these would all scan on schedule weekly, not to mention ongoing =3D
>>>>>real-time scanning... and just today I find out that some virus =3D
>>>>>(most-likely a virus) wiped out about 75% of all my EXE files on that =
>>>>>=3D
>>>>>machine. Devastating for the server since that's the stuff being 
>>>>>served,
>>>>>=
>>>>>=3D
>>>>>know what I mean?
>>>>>
>>>>>I thought it was all safe and good... only to be surprised. So... 
>>>>>you'll
>>>>>=
>>>>>=3D
>>>>>never be 100% safe, EVEN WHEN YOU THINK YOU ARE! Just keep the precious
>>>>>=
>>>>>=3D
>>>>>items safe... digital photos, home videos, etc. You get the drift.
>>>>>
>>>>>____________________________________
>>>>>Sir Troth
>>>>>ICQ #1717439
>>>>>AIM/AOL: SirTrothX
>>>>>Yahoo: SirTroth
>>>>>MSN: SirTroth@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>     (do not email me here)
>>>>>My Personal Email: SirTroth@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>--------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>=3D20
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =3D
>>>>>[mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of milady
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:51 PM
>>>>>To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: -=3D3DPCTechTalk=3D3D- Re: weird
>>>>>
>>>>>Which does seem like a tremendous hassle..you could run umpteen of 
>>>>>these
>>>>>=
>>>>>=3D
>>>>>
>>>>>programs and neverknow REALLY if you were getting all of the nasty =3D
>>>>>stuff.=3D20
>>>>>sighhhhh.
>>>>>
>>>>>I ran up against a thing that starts out something like CRPKIE---.=3D20
>>>>>something. It lands in registry and windows. I have removed it before =
>>>>>=3D
>>>>>but=3D20
>>>>>can't remember the full name..one of the programs half named it but =3D
>>>>>wouldn't=3D20
>>>>>allow total access to the name or location.  I googled it before..but =
>>>>>I=3D20
>>>>>can't remember the full name??does it look familiar? Does anyone know =
>>>>>=3D
>>>>>the=3D20
>>>>>full name????
>>>>>----- Original Message -----=3D20
>>>>>From: "Mike" <mikebike@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:44 PM
>>>>>Subject: -=3D3DPCTechTalk=3D3D- Re: weird
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Milady,
>>>>>different program have different views on what is spyware.
>>>>>some consider Microsoft spyware<G>
>>>>>
>>>>>Some spyware can change its name each time it is deleted, and continue 
>>>>>=
>>>>>=3D
>>>>>to=3D3D
>>>>>reproduce itself mutable times.
>>>>>
>>>>>The most effective way to eliminate spyware is to run the programs in =
>>>>>=3D
>>>>>Safe=3D3D
>>>>>Mode.
>>>>>
>>>>>It may be necessary to disable System Restore if you are using Windows 
>>>>>=
>>>>>=3D
>>>>>XP=3D3D
>>>>>or ME.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike the mod
>>>>>******* Mike's  REPLY SEPARATOR *********
>>>>>
>>>>>On 7/24/2005 at 7:09 PM milady wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I am finding it rather strange that having 3 spyware programs, they all
>>>>>come up with something different. and I did a 4th online scan which =3D
>>>>>didn't
>>>>>find any of those but came up with another and none of the 3 came up 
>>>>>=3D
>>>>>with
>>>>>what the 4th did...sighhhhhh????Which leaves yah wondering.  HOW is 
>>>>>this
>>>>>suppose to work? Geeez
>>>>>ML
>>>>>
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