-=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?

  • From: "Lilian" <lilian.oswaldocruz@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 13:43:51 -0200

I agree with you on the cache... but its never been a necessity  as the AMD 
is more than sufficient for me.  My programs are graphic intensive but not 
out of the usual like games, etc.  But you mention "quiet"... This Athlon 
computer I have now is the quietest I´ve ever had, with 2 fans and 2 hard 
drives!   In the end, happiness is loving your computer :o))

Lil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Disastar" <disastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:47 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?


All good points indeed.  I wasn't really trying to say that it's a problem
cooling the hotter AMD chips, but I for one have a quieter PC now that I
switched to Intel.  All my AMD systems I've been using pretty much
exclusively for the last 10 years, I put high performance CPU fans on.  This
Intel Core 2 Duo runs cooler using stock Intel fan even though I'm
overclocking from 1.8 GHz to 2.8 GHz.

I don't really consider the higher heat much of a drawback, just that I
would rather spend a few extra dollars up front to get a good quality CPU
cooler so there isn't any problems in the future.  If heat does become a
problem (with stock fans) then it is really annoying having strange and hard
to diagnose problems until you realize that the heat is the problem.

In my opinion, the biggest drawback to the AMD's is the smaller cache.  I
believe the much bigger Intel caches make a big difference for someone that
pushes their system to the limit like I often do.

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lilian
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:19 AM
To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?

I run AMD Athlon dual core and usually have 2-3 programs running. The
computer has never even warmed up.  I do have an extra fan, but that is a
precaution as it is always nice and cool :o))  In the last upgrade I
switched from a full tower to a midi tower.  I was a bit aprehensive because
of a smaller environment heating up, but its never happened.  I´ve never had
problems with AMD and have used their cpus for 10 years now.
But of course one must remember that there are different series of Athlon
cpus that come in different prices.  I think Phenom is the top of the range.
The computer you mention, does it specify the Motherboard?  That is a very
important item also!!!

Lil

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: cristy
  To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:25 AM
  Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?


  I think I like the sounds of this one but how do you know if they have
  enough fans to cool down  system like it should?  I guess they have to
make
  them that way now.  Also it weighs almost 40 lbs!



  I did look at the one in more detail online from circuit city.  Seems it
is
  some kind of energy efficient power supply or something, also read some
  reviews comparing amd an intell processors,



  christy

  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883113085



  ----- Original Message ----- 


  From: "Disastar" <disastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:05 AM
  Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?


  > I'm not so sure about AMD scoring better than Intel for most multimedia
  > tasks anymore.  I've been using AMD for many years mostly because of AMD
  > being better for multimedia and better FPU (Floating Point) performance,

  > but
  > when I upgraded my PC a year ago I found a lot saying that Intels' Core
2
  > Duo has finally caught up with AMD in that respect.  Although AMD is
still
  > cheaper for the for the same multimedia performance, the comparable
Intel
  > chips are much faster in other benchmarks.  Its hard to say in real
world
  > settings if it would be much noticeable.  Here is a nice benchmark
  > comparison, but I think the prices are off because I read that AMD
lowered
  > many of their prices.
  >
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,31.
  > html
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  > [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gman
  > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:02 PM
  > To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
  >
  > Well, Cristy, I can't touch this reply for 'breath of scope', so I'm not
  > going to even try.       lol
  >
  > What I will say is that AMD scores better than Intel for most multimedia
  > tasks (both audible and visual).  Intel ranks MUCH better than AMD for
  > most
  > productivity tasks (Office, etc.).  Today's better AMD chips run hotter
  > because they are grown using a larger sized transistor (65nm.) than
  > Intel's
  > better chips (45nm.).  Chances are VERY good that you're currently
running
  > a
  >
  > processor (from either maker) that's made with larger transistors than
  > what's being used today.  The smaller they can make the transistors, the
  > cooler the chip can be made to run.  Intel has the upper hand in
  > transistor
  > size because they have a LOT more money to toss at R&D for studying
  > fabrication techniques (AMD spent their budget on buying up ATI, the
  > graphics card maker).  But even with all of that money, they still look
to
  > AMD for ideas on what direction they should be heading.  To me, that
means
  > AMD is the more innovative company.
  >
  > Combining all of this with what Disastar has already mentioned should
  > point
  > you towards getting at least a dual-core AMD processor (AM+ socket) with
  > matching motherboard & RAM.  Since these three items are the core
  > components
  >
  > of any computer system, I wouldn't skimp on any of them (~$400 USD for
all
  > three should be a good starting point).  It can be convincingly argued
  > that
  > the graphics card has become a fourth 'core' component of any modern
  > system,
  >
  > so I will give the same advice on that.  Your target for a video card
  > should
  >
  > be at least $200 - 250 USD alone for the things you want to do with your

  > new
  >
  > system (and that should take care of most 'gaming' you choose to add
  > later,
  > too).
  >
  > As Disastar also said, it takes several days of intense research to
"throw
  > together" a decent system these days.  Many, many things have to be
taken
  > into consideration and having one part that doesn't quite fit in can
  > really
  > hurt an otherwise good build.  You need to decide whether or not you'll
  > need
  >
  > a case (or reuse an older one).  How many parts can you bring over from
  > the
  > old system if that's to be retired?  How much can this new build be
  > upgraded
  >
  > as time passes?  What else will you need?
  >
  > Give some thought to all you've heard so far and let us know whatever
  > questions come up.  Several of us have been putting together custom
  > systems
  > for a long time and you can be assured we'll do what we can to steer you

  > in
  > the right direction.
  >
  > Happy Holidays,
  > Gman
  >
  > "The only dumb questions are the ones we fail to ask"
  >
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Disastar" <disastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  > To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:38 PM
  > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
  >
  >
  >> Yes, it is often hard to tell the difference and it depends a lot on
how
  >> you
  >> use your computer.
  >>
  >> This is a very tricky question to answer.  They both have their pros
and
  >> cons and its hard to compare the two because you just can't go by the
MHz
  >> speed and one might be better while running one program, but the other
  >> might
  >> be better running another program.  You also have the same problem
  >> comparing
  >> different processors from the same manufacturer.
  >>
  >> Example:  Which is better, a faster single core CPU or a slower dual
  >> core?
  >>
  >> Answer:  It depends a lot on what programs you run and how you use your
  >> computer among other things.  If you almost always run more than one
  >> program
  >> at the same time then dual core would be better and quad core even
better
  >> (most likely).  But, if the program you use often is very CPU intensive
  >> and
  >> is not designed to run on multiple cores, then the multi-cores wouldn't
  >> help
  >> unless there are other programs running at the same time that slow the
  >> CPU
  >> down.
  >>
  >> Confused?  I'm sorry, but this is only the main points and it only gets
  >> more
  >> complicated.  Maybe Gman can explain it better... he has a way with
words
  >> that I can't touch.
  >>
  >> OK, maybe this will help:
  >> - AMD is usually cheaper for the performance you get, but they usually
  >> run
  >> hotter, so they often have a noisier fan cooling them.
  >> - Multiple core CPU's usually give a snappier feel to Windows
especially
  >> if
  >> you run more than one program at a time.
  >> - Movie editing and graphics editing will usually benefit from having
as
  >> many cores as you can afford, but spending extra money on a better
video
  >> card might improve these tasks better.
  >> - High tech action games are also more dependent on graphics card than
  >> CPU,
  >> but you still need a decent CPU.
  >> - If you don't run any CPU hogging programs, then anything new would
feel
  >> a
  >> world better than an old PC, but a dual core would probably feel more
  >> responsive.
  >> - If you are just trying to get Vista to run better, then get something
  >> with
  >> 3 or 4 Gigabytes of RAM, good video card (better video card if you plan

  >> on
  >> running Vista's Aero), and as fast a dual core as you can afford.
  >>
  >> As you can see, the graphics performance often matters as much as the
CPU
  >> (sometimes more so), so I'm guessing your next question will be about
  >> video
  >> cards.  Unfortunately video cards are at least as complicated.  When I
  >> buy
  >> computer parts I spend days doing google searches for reviews and
  >> comparisons of everything I'm looking for.
  >>
  >> The more info you give us on what programs you plan on running, the
  >> better
  >> advise we can give you.  ;)
  >
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