Hi Lil, what kind of mb should I be looking for or does it depend on the processor? thanks, christy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lilian" <lilian.oswaldocruz@xxxxxxxxx> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel? >I run AMD Athlon dual core and usually have 2-3 programs running. The >computer has never even warmed up. I do have an extra fan, but that is a >precaution as it is always nice and cool :o)) In the last upgrade I >switched from a full tower to a midi tower. I was a bit aprehensive >because of a smaller environment heating up, but its never happened. I´ve >never had problems with AMD and have used their cpus for 10 years now. > But of course one must remember that there are different series of Athlon > cpus that come in different prices. I think Phenom is the top of the > range. The computer you mention, does it specify the Motherboard? That > is a very important item also!!! > > Lil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: cristy > To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:25 AM > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel? > > > I think I like the sounds of this one but how do you know if they have > enough fans to cool down system like it should? I guess they have to > make > them that way now. Also it weighs almost 40 lbs! > > > > I did look at the one in more detail online from circuit city. Seems it > is > some kind of energy efficient power supply or something, also read some > reviews comparing amd an intell processors, > > > > christy > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883113085 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Disastar" <disastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:05 AM > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel? > > > > I'm not so sure about AMD scoring better than Intel for most multimedia > > tasks anymore. I've been using AMD for many years mostly because of > AMD > > being better for multimedia and better FPU (Floating Point) > performance, > > but > > when I upgraded my PC a year ago I found a lot saying that Intels' Core > 2 > > Duo has finally caught up with AMD in that respect. Although AMD is > still > > cheaper for the for the same multimedia performance, the comparable > Intel > > chips are much faster in other benchmarks. Its hard to say in real > world > > settings if it would be much noticeable. Here is a nice benchmark > > comparison, but I think the prices are off because I read that AMD > lowered > > many of their prices. > > > http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,31. > > html > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gman > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:02 PM > > To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel? > > > > Well, Cristy, I can't touch this reply for 'breath of scope', so I'm > not > > going to even try. lol > > > > What I will say is that AMD scores better than Intel for most > multimedia > > tasks (both audible and visual). Intel ranks MUCH better than AMD for > > most > > productivity tasks (Office, etc.). Today's better AMD chips run hotter > > because they are grown using a larger sized transistor (65nm.) than > > Intel's > > better chips (45nm.). Chances are VERY good that you're currently > running > > a > > > > processor (from either maker) that's made with larger transistors than > > what's being used today. The smaller they can make the transistors, > the > > cooler the chip can be made to run. Intel has the upper hand in > > transistor > > size because they have a LOT more money to toss at R&D for studying > > fabrication techniques (AMD spent their budget on buying up ATI, the > > graphics card maker). But even with all of that money, they still look > to > > AMD for ideas on what direction they should be heading. To me, that > means > > AMD is the more innovative company. > > > > Combining all of this with what Disastar has already mentioned should > > point > > you towards getting at least a dual-core AMD processor (AM+ socket) > with > > matching motherboard & RAM. Since these three items are the core > > components > > > > of any computer system, I wouldn't skimp on any of them (~$400 USD for > all > > three should be a good starting point). It can be convincingly argued > > that > > the graphics card has become a fourth 'core' component of any modern > > system, > > > > so I will give the same advice on that. Your target for a video card > > should > > > > be at least $200 - 250 USD alone for the things you want to do with > your > > new > > > > system (and that should take care of most 'gaming' you choose to add > > later, > > too). > > > > As Disastar also said, it takes several days of intense research to > "throw > > together" a decent system these days. Many, many things have to be > taken > > into consideration and having one part that doesn't quite fit in can > > really > > hurt an otherwise good build. You need to decide whether or not you'll > > need > > > > a case (or reuse an older one). How many parts can you bring over from > > the > > old system if that's to be retired? How much can this new build be > > upgraded > > > > as time passes? What else will you need? > > > > Give some thought to all you've heard so far and let us know whatever > > questions come up. Several of us have been putting together custom > > systems > > for a long time and you can be assured we'll do what we can to steer > you > > in > > the right direction. > > > > Happy Holidays, > > Gman > > > > "The only dumb questions are the ones we fail to ask" > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Disastar" <disastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:38 PM > > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel? > > > > > >> Yes, it is often hard to tell the difference and it depends a lot on > how > >> you > >> use your computer. > >> > >> This is a very tricky question to answer. They both have their pros > and > >> cons and its hard to compare the two because you just can't go by the > MHz > >> speed and one might be better while running one program, but the other > >> might > >> be better running another program. You also have the same problem > >> comparing > >> different processors from the same manufacturer. > >> > >> Example: Which is better, a faster single core CPU or a slower dual > >> core? > >> > >> Answer: It depends a lot on what programs you run and how you use > your > >> computer among other things. If you almost always run more than one > >> program > >> at the same time then dual core would be better and quad core even > better > >> (most likely). But, if the program you use often is very CPU > intensive > >> and > >> is not designed to run on multiple cores, then the multi-cores > wouldn't > >> help > >> unless there are other programs running at the same time that slow the > >> CPU > >> down. > >> > >> Confused? I'm sorry, but this is only the main points and it only > gets > >> more > >> complicated. Maybe Gman can explain it better... he has a way with > words > >> that I can't touch. > >> > >> OK, maybe this will help: > >> - AMD is usually cheaper for the performance you get, but they usually > >> run > >> hotter, so they often have a noisier fan cooling them. > >> - Multiple core CPU's usually give a snappier feel to Windows > especially > >> if > >> you run more than one program at a time. > >> - Movie editing and graphics editing will usually benefit from having > as > >> many cores as you can afford, but spending extra money on a better > video > >> card might improve these tasks better. > >> - High tech action games are also more dependent on graphics card than > >> CPU, > >> but you still need a decent CPU. > >> - If you don't run any CPU hogging programs, then anything new would > feel > >> a > >> world better than an old PC, but a dual core would probably feel more > >> responsive. > >> - If you are just trying to get Vista to run better, then get > something > >> with > >> 3 or 4 Gigabytes of RAM, good video card (better video card if you > plan > >> on > >> running Vista's Aero), and as fast a dual core as you can afford. > >> > >> As you can see, the graphics performance often matters as much as the > CPU > >> (sometimes more so), so I'm guessing your next question will be about > >> video > >> cards. Unfortunately video cards are at least as complicated. When I > >> buy > >> computer parts I spend days doing google searches for reviews and > >> comparisons of everything I'm looking for. > >> > >> The more info you give us on what programs you plan on running, the > >> better > >> advise we can give you. ;) > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and > > everything > > below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. > > > > To unsubscribe or change your email settings: > > //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk > > > > To access our Archives: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ > > //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ > > > > To contact only the PCTT Mod Squad, write to: > > pctechtalk-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > To join the PCTableTalk off-topic group, send a blank email to: > > pctabletalk+subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and > > everything below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. > > > > To unsubscribe or change your email settings: > > //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk > > > > To access our Archives: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ > > //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ > > > > To contact only the PCTT Mod Squad, write to: > > pctechtalk-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > To join the PCTableTalk off-topic group, send a blank email to: > > pctabletalk+subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and > everything below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. > > To unsubscribe or change your email settings: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk > > To access our Archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ > //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ > > To contact only the PCTT Mod Squad, write to: > pctechtalk-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To join the PCTableTalk off-topic group, send a blank email to: > pctabletalk+subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and > everything below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. > > To unsubscribe or change your email settings: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk > > To access our Archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ > //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ > > To contact only the PCTT Mod Squad, write to: > pctechtalk-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To join the PCTableTalk off-topic group, send a blank email to: > pctabletalk+subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------- Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and everything below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. 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