-=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?

  • From: "cristy" <poppy0206@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 00:19:01 -0500

Hi Lil,

what kind of mb should I be looking for or does it depend on the processor?

thanks,
christy
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lilian" <lilian.oswaldocruz@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:18 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?


>I run AMD Athlon dual core and usually have 2-3 programs running. The 
>computer has never even warmed up.  I do have an extra fan, but that is a 
>precaution as it is always nice and cool :o))  In the last upgrade I 
>switched from a full tower to a midi tower.  I was a bit aprehensive 
>because of a smaller environment heating up, but its never happened.  I´ve 
>never had problems with AMD and have used their cpus for 10 years now.
> But of course one must remember that there are different series of Athlon 
> cpus that come in different prices.  I think Phenom is the top of the 
> range.  The computer you mention, does it specify the Motherboard?  That 
> is a very important item also!!!
>
> Lil
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: cristy
>  To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:25 AM
>  Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
>
>
>  I think I like the sounds of this one but how do you know if they have
>  enough fans to cool down  system like it should?  I guess they have to 
> make
>  them that way now.  Also it weighs almost 40 lbs!
>
>
>
>  I did look at the one in more detail online from circuit city.  Seems it 
> is
>  some kind of energy efficient power supply or something, also read some
>  reviews comparing amd an intell processors,
>
>
>
>  christy
>
>  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883113085
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>
>
>  From: "Disastar" <disastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:05 AM
>  Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
>
>
>  > I'm not so sure about AMD scoring better than Intel for most multimedia
>  > tasks anymore.  I've been using AMD for many years mostly because of 
> AMD
>  > being better for multimedia and better FPU (Floating Point) 
> performance,
>  > but
>  > when I upgraded my PC a year ago I found a lot saying that Intels' Core 
> 2
>  > Duo has finally caught up with AMD in that respect.  Although AMD is 
> still
>  > cheaper for the for the same multimedia performance, the comparable 
> Intel
>  > chips are much faster in other benchmarks.  Its hard to say in real 
> world
>  > settings if it would be much noticeable.  Here is a nice benchmark
>  > comparison, but I think the prices are off because I read that AMD 
> lowered
>  > many of their prices.
>  > 
> http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,31.
>  > html
>  >
>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  > [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gman
>  > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:02 PM
>  > To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
>  >
>  > Well, Cristy, I can't touch this reply for 'breath of scope', so I'm 
> not
>  > going to even try.       lol
>  >
>  > What I will say is that AMD scores better than Intel for most 
> multimedia
>  > tasks (both audible and visual).  Intel ranks MUCH better than AMD for
>  > most
>  > productivity tasks (Office, etc.).  Today's better AMD chips run hotter
>  > because they are grown using a larger sized transistor (65nm.) than
>  > Intel's
>  > better chips (45nm.).  Chances are VERY good that you're currently 
> running
>  > a
>  >
>  > processor (from either maker) that's made with larger transistors than
>  > what's being used today.  The smaller they can make the transistors, 
> the
>  > cooler the chip can be made to run.  Intel has the upper hand in
>  > transistor
>  > size because they have a LOT more money to toss at R&D for studying
>  > fabrication techniques (AMD spent their budget on buying up ATI, the
>  > graphics card maker).  But even with all of that money, they still look 
> to
>  > AMD for ideas on what direction they should be heading.  To me, that 
> means
>  > AMD is the more innovative company.
>  >
>  > Combining all of this with what Disastar has already mentioned should
>  > point
>  > you towards getting at least a dual-core AMD processor (AM+ socket) 
> with
>  > matching motherboard & RAM.  Since these three items are the core
>  > components
>  >
>  > of any computer system, I wouldn't skimp on any of them (~$400 USD for 
> all
>  > three should be a good starting point).  It can be convincingly argued
>  > that
>  > the graphics card has become a fourth 'core' component of any modern
>  > system,
>  >
>  > so I will give the same advice on that.  Your target for a video card
>  > should
>  >
>  > be at least $200 - 250 USD alone for the things you want to do with 
> your
>  > new
>  >
>  > system (and that should take care of most 'gaming' you choose to add
>  > later,
>  > too).
>  >
>  > As Disastar also said, it takes several days of intense research to 
> "throw
>  > together" a decent system these days.  Many, many things have to be 
> taken
>  > into consideration and having one part that doesn't quite fit in can
>  > really
>  > hurt an otherwise good build.  You need to decide whether or not you'll
>  > need
>  >
>  > a case (or reuse an older one).  How many parts can you bring over from
>  > the
>  > old system if that's to be retired?  How much can this new build be
>  > upgraded
>  >
>  > as time passes?  What else will you need?
>  >
>  > Give some thought to all you've heard so far and let us know whatever
>  > questions come up.  Several of us have been putting together custom
>  > systems
>  > for a long time and you can be assured we'll do what we can to steer 
> you
>  > in
>  > the right direction.
>  >
>  > Happy Holidays,
>  > Gman
>  >
>  > "The only dumb questions are the ones we fail to ask"
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message ----- 
>  > From: "Disastar" <disastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>  > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:38 PM
>  > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
>  >
>  >
>  >> Yes, it is often hard to tell the difference and it depends a lot on 
> how
>  >> you
>  >> use your computer.
>  >>
>  >> This is a very tricky question to answer.  They both have their pros 
> and
>  >> cons and its hard to compare the two because you just can't go by the 
> MHz
>  >> speed and one might be better while running one program, but the other
>  >> might
>  >> be better running another program.  You also have the same problem
>  >> comparing
>  >> different processors from the same manufacturer.
>  >>
>  >> Example:  Which is better, a faster single core CPU or a slower dual
>  >> core?
>  >>
>  >> Answer:  It depends a lot on what programs you run and how you use 
> your
>  >> computer among other things.  If you almost always run more than one
>  >> program
>  >> at the same time then dual core would be better and quad core even 
> better
>  >> (most likely).  But, if the program you use often is very CPU 
> intensive
>  >> and
>  >> is not designed to run on multiple cores, then the multi-cores 
> wouldn't
>  >> help
>  >> unless there are other programs running at the same time that slow the
>  >> CPU
>  >> down.
>  >>
>  >> Confused?  I'm sorry, but this is only the main points and it only 
> gets
>  >> more
>  >> complicated.  Maybe Gman can explain it better... he has a way with 
> words
>  >> that I can't touch.
>  >>
>  >> OK, maybe this will help:
>  >> - AMD is usually cheaper for the performance you get, but they usually
>  >> run
>  >> hotter, so they often have a noisier fan cooling them.
>  >> - Multiple core CPU's usually give a snappier feel to Windows 
> especially
>  >> if
>  >> you run more than one program at a time.
>  >> - Movie editing and graphics editing will usually benefit from having 
> as
>  >> many cores as you can afford, but spending extra money on a better 
> video
>  >> card might improve these tasks better.
>  >> - High tech action games are also more dependent on graphics card than
>  >> CPU,
>  >> but you still need a decent CPU.
>  >> - If you don't run any CPU hogging programs, then anything new would 
> feel
>  >> a
>  >> world better than an old PC, but a dual core would probably feel more
>  >> responsive.
>  >> - If you are just trying to get Vista to run better, then get 
> something
>  >> with
>  >> 3 or 4 Gigabytes of RAM, good video card (better video card if you 
> plan
>  >> on
>  >> running Vista's Aero), and as fast a dual core as you can afford.
>  >>
>  >> As you can see, the graphics performance often matters as much as the 
> CPU
>  >> (sometimes more so), so I'm guessing your next question will be about
>  >> video
>  >> cards.  Unfortunately video cards are at least as complicated.  When I
>  >> buy
>  >> computer parts I spend days doing google searches for reviews and
>  >> comparisons of everything I'm looking for.
>  >>
>  >> The more info you give us on what programs you plan on running, the
>  >> better
>  >> advise we can give you.  ;)
>  >
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