I worry about overheating with a more powerful computer since it is on alot and in use and in smaller sized room. christy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Disastar" <disastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 1:07 AM Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel? > Well that particular CPU is rated at a low 65 Watts, so it should be > pretty > cool. I would recommend you watching the temperature after heavy use and > if > it reads hot then we can look into getting a better CPU fan. Usually the > big PC makers make sure their systems are made with enough cooling, but > every CPU runs at a different temperature. I build my own PC's and > freaked > out the first time I powered up my Intel Core 2 Duo. After 10-20 seconds > the CPU fan turned off. It turned out that it ran so cool (thanks to > Artic > Silver thermal compound) that PC told the fan to shut off because it was > not > needed. Since this was the first Intel CPU I've used in many many years, > I > was not used to CPU's that cool. I've seen pictures of blown CPU's with > chunks missing that had captions saying "this is what happens after 10-20 > seconds if you forget to install CPU fan". lol > > -----Original Message----- > From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of cristy > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:25 AM > To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel? > > I think I like the sounds of this one but how do you know if they have > enough fans to cool down system like it should? I guess they have to > make > them that way now. Also it weighs almost 40 lbs! > > > > I did look at the one in more detail online from circuit city. Seems it > is > some kind of energy efficient power supply or something, also read some > reviews comparing amd an intell processors, > > > > christy > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883113085 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Disastar" <disastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:05 AM > Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel? > > >> I'm not so sure about AMD scoring better than Intel for most multimedia >> tasks anymore. I've been using AMD for many years mostly because of AMD >> being better for multimedia and better FPU (Floating Point) performance, >> but >> when I upgraded my PC a year ago I found a lot saying that Intels' Core 2 >> Duo has finally caught up with AMD in that respect. Although AMD is >> still >> cheaper for the for the same multimedia performance, the comparable Intel >> chips are much faster in other benchmarks. Its hard to say in real world >> settings if it would be much noticeable. Here is a nice benchmark >> comparison, but I think the prices are off because I read that AMD >> lowered >> many of their prices. >> > http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,31. >> html >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gman >> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:02 PM >> To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel? >> >> Well, Cristy, I can't touch this reply for 'breath of scope', so I'm not >> going to even try. lol >> >> What I will say is that AMD scores better than Intel for most multimedia >> tasks (both audible and visual). Intel ranks MUCH better than AMD for >> most >> productivity tasks (Office, etc.). Today's better AMD chips run hotter >> because they are grown using a larger sized transistor (65nm.) than >> Intel's >> better chips (45nm.). Chances are VERY good that you're currently >> running > >> a >> >> processor (from either maker) that's made with larger transistors than >> what's being used today. The smaller they can make the transistors, the >> cooler the chip can be made to run. Intel has the upper hand in >> transistor >> size because they have a LOT more money to toss at R&D for studying >> fabrication techniques (AMD spent their budget on buying up ATI, the >> graphics card maker). But even with all of that money, they still look >> to >> AMD for ideas on what direction they should be heading. To me, that >> means >> AMD is the more innovative company. >> >> Combining all of this with what Disastar has already mentioned should >> point >> you towards getting at least a dual-core AMD processor (AM+ socket) with >> matching motherboard & RAM. Since these three items are the core >> components >> >> of any computer system, I wouldn't skimp on any of them (~$400 USD for >> all >> three should be a good starting point). It can be convincingly argued >> that >> the graphics card has become a fourth 'core' component of any modern >> system, >> >> so I will give the same advice on that. Your target for a video card >> should >> >> be at least $200 - 250 USD alone for the things you want to do with your >> new >> >> system (and that should take care of most 'gaming' you choose to add >> later, >> too). >> >> As Disastar also said, it takes several days of intense research to >> "throw >> together" a decent system these days. Many, many things have to be taken >> into consideration and having one part that doesn't quite fit in can >> really >> hurt an otherwise good build. You need to decide whether or not you'll >> need >> >> a case (or reuse an older one). How many parts can you bring over from >> the >> old system if that's to be retired? How much can this new build be >> upgraded >> >> as time passes? What else will you need? >> >> Give some thought to all you've heard so far and let us know whatever >> questions come up. Several of us have been putting together custom >> systems >> for a long time and you can be assured we'll do what we can to steer you >> in >> the right direction. >> >> Happy Holidays, >> Gman >> >> "The only dumb questions are the ones we fail to ask" >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Disastar" <disastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:38 PM >> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel? >> >> >>> Yes, it is often hard to tell the difference and it depends a lot on how >>> you >>> use your computer. >>> >>> This is a very tricky question to answer. They both have their pros and >>> cons and its hard to compare the two because you just can't go by the >>> MHz >>> speed and one might be better while running one program, but the other >>> might >>> be better running another program. You also have the same problem >>> comparing >>> different processors from the same manufacturer. >>> >>> Example: Which is better, a faster single core CPU or a slower dual >>> core? >>> >>> Answer: It depends a lot on what programs you run and how you use your >>> computer among other things. If you almost always run more than one >>> program >>> at the same time then dual core would be better and quad core even >>> better >>> (most likely). But, if the program you use often is very CPU intensive >>> and >>> is not designed to run on multiple cores, then the multi-cores wouldn't >>> help >>> unless there are other programs running at the same time that slow the >>> CPU >>> down. >>> >>> Confused? I'm sorry, but this is only the main points and it only gets >>> more >>> complicated. Maybe Gman can explain it better... he has a way with >>> words >>> that I can't touch. >>> >>> OK, maybe this will help: >>> - AMD is usually cheaper for the performance you get, but they usually >>> run >>> hotter, so they often have a noisier fan cooling them. >>> - Multiple core CPU's usually give a snappier feel to Windows especially >>> if >>> you run more than one program at a time. >>> - Movie editing and graphics editing will usually benefit from having as >>> many cores as you can afford, but spending extra money on a better video >>> card might improve these tasks better. >>> - High tech action games are also more dependent on graphics card than >>> CPU, >>> but you still need a decent CPU. >>> - If you don't run any CPU hogging programs, then anything new would >>> feel >>> a >>> world better than an old PC, but a dual core would probably feel more >>> responsive. >>> - If you are just trying to get Vista to run better, then get something >>> with >>> 3 or 4 Gigabytes of RAM, good video card (better video card if you plan >>> on >>> running Vista's Aero), and as fast a dual core as you can afford. >>> >>> As you can see, the graphics performance often matters as much as the >>> CPU >>> (sometimes more so), so I'm guessing your next question will be about >>> video >>> cards. Unfortunately video cards are at least as complicated. When I >>> buy >>> computer parts I spend days doing google searches for reviews and >>> comparisons of everything I'm looking for. >>> >>> The more info you give us on what programs you plan on running, the >>> better >>> advise we can give you. ;) >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and >> everything >> below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. >> >> To unsubscribe or change your email settings: >> //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk >> >> To access our Archives: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ >> //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ >> >> To contact only the PCTT Mod Squad, write to: >> pctechtalk-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> To join the PCTableTalk off-topic group, send a blank email to: >> pctabletalk+subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and >> everything below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. >> >> To unsubscribe or change your email settings: >> //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk >> >> To access our Archives: >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ >> //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ >> >> To contact only the PCTT Mod Squad, write to: >> pctechtalk-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> To join the PCTableTalk off-topic group, send a blank email to: >> pctabletalk+subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and > everything > below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. > > To unsubscribe or change your email settings: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk > > To access our Archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ > //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ > > To contact only the PCTT Mod Squad, write to: > pctechtalk-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To join the PCTableTalk off-topic group, send a blank email to: > pctabletalk+subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and > everything below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. > > To unsubscribe or change your email settings: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/pctechtalk > > To access our Archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PCTechTalk/messages/ > //www.freelists.org/archives/pctechtalk/ > > To contact only the PCTT Mod Squad, write to: > pctechtalk-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To join the PCTableTalk off-topic group, send a blank email to: > pctabletalk+subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------- Please remember to trim your replies (including this sentence and everything below it) and adjust the subject line as necessary. 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