-=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?

  • From: "cristy" <poppy0206@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:16:06 -0500

I worry about overheating with a more powerful computer since it is on alot 
and in use and in smaller sized room.
christy

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Disastar" <disastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 1:07 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?


> Well that particular CPU is rated at a low 65 Watts, so it should be 
> pretty
> cool.  I would recommend you watching the temperature after heavy use and 
> if
> it reads hot then we can look into getting a better CPU fan.  Usually the
> big PC makers make sure their systems are made with enough cooling, but
> every CPU runs at a different temperature.  I build my own PC's and 
> freaked
> out the first time I powered up my Intel Core 2 Duo.  After 10-20 seconds
> the CPU fan turned off.  It turned out that it ran so cool (thanks to 
> Artic
> Silver thermal compound) that PC told the fan to shut off because it was 
> not
> needed.  Since this was the first Intel CPU I've used in many many years, 
> I
> was not used to CPU's that cool.  I've seen pictures of blown CPU's with
> chunks missing that had captions saying "this is what happens after 10-20
> seconds if you forget to install CPU fan".  lol
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of cristy
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:25 AM
> To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
>
> I think I like the sounds of this one but how do you know if they have
> enough fans to cool down  system like it should?  I guess they have to 
> make
> them that way now.  Also it weighs almost 40 lbs!
>
>
>
> I did look at the one in more detail online from circuit city.  Seems it 
> is
> some kind of energy efficient power supply or something, also read some
> reviews comparing amd an intell processors,
>
>
>
> christy
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883113085
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>
>
> From: "Disastar" <disastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:05 AM
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
>
>
>> I'm not so sure about AMD scoring better than Intel for most multimedia
>> tasks anymore.  I've been using AMD for many years mostly because of AMD
>> being better for multimedia and better FPU (Floating Point) performance,
>> but
>> when I upgraded my PC a year ago I found a lot saying that Intels' Core 2
>> Duo has finally caught up with AMD in that respect.  Although AMD is 
>> still
>> cheaper for the for the same multimedia performance, the comparable Intel
>> chips are much faster in other benchmarks.  Its hard to say in real world
>> settings if it would be much noticeable.  Here is a nice benchmark
>> comparison, but I think the prices are off because I read that AMD 
>> lowered
>> many of their prices.
>>
> http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,31.
>> html
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gman
>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:02 PM
>> To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
>>
>> Well, Cristy, I can't touch this reply for 'breath of scope', so I'm not
>> going to even try.       lol
>>
>> What I will say is that AMD scores better than Intel for most multimedia
>> tasks (both audible and visual).  Intel ranks MUCH better than AMD for
>> most
>> productivity tasks (Office, etc.).  Today's better AMD chips run hotter
>> because they are grown using a larger sized transistor (65nm.) than
>> Intel's
>> better chips (45nm.).  Chances are VERY good that you're currently 
>> running
>
>> a
>>
>> processor (from either maker) that's made with larger transistors than
>> what's being used today.  The smaller they can make the transistors, the
>> cooler the chip can be made to run.  Intel has the upper hand in
>> transistor
>> size because they have a LOT more money to toss at R&D for studying
>> fabrication techniques (AMD spent their budget on buying up ATI, the
>> graphics card maker).  But even with all of that money, they still look 
>> to
>> AMD for ideas on what direction they should be heading.  To me, that 
>> means
>> AMD is the more innovative company.
>>
>> Combining all of this with what Disastar has already mentioned should
>> point
>> you towards getting at least a dual-core AMD processor (AM+ socket) with
>> matching motherboard & RAM.  Since these three items are the core
>> components
>>
>> of any computer system, I wouldn't skimp on any of them (~$400 USD for 
>> all
>> three should be a good starting point).  It can be convincingly argued
>> that
>> the graphics card has become a fourth 'core' component of any modern
>> system,
>>
>> so I will give the same advice on that.  Your target for a video card
>> should
>>
>> be at least $200 - 250 USD alone for the things you want to do with your
>> new
>>
>> system (and that should take care of most 'gaming' you choose to add
>> later,
>> too).
>>
>> As Disastar also said, it takes several days of intense research to 
>> "throw
>> together" a decent system these days.  Many, many things have to be taken
>> into consideration and having one part that doesn't quite fit in can
>> really
>> hurt an otherwise good build.  You need to decide whether or not you'll
>> need
>>
>> a case (or reuse an older one).  How many parts can you bring over from
>> the
>> old system if that's to be retired?  How much can this new build be
>> upgraded
>>
>> as time passes?  What else will you need?
>>
>> Give some thought to all you've heard so far and let us know whatever
>> questions come up.  Several of us have been putting together custom
>> systems
>> for a long time and you can be assured we'll do what we can to steer you
>> in
>> the right direction.
>>
>> Happy Holidays,
>> Gman
>>
>> "The only dumb questions are the ones we fail to ask"
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Disastar" <disastar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:38 PM
>> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: processors, AMD vs. Intel?
>>
>>
>>> Yes, it is often hard to tell the difference and it depends a lot on how
>>> you
>>> use your computer.
>>>
>>> This is a very tricky question to answer.  They both have their pros and
>>> cons and its hard to compare the two because you just can't go by the 
>>> MHz
>>> speed and one might be better while running one program, but the other
>>> might
>>> be better running another program.  You also have the same problem
>>> comparing
>>> different processors from the same manufacturer.
>>>
>>> Example:  Which is better, a faster single core CPU or a slower dual
>>> core?
>>>
>>> Answer:  It depends a lot on what programs you run and how you use your
>>> computer among other things.  If you almost always run more than one
>>> program
>>> at the same time then dual core would be better and quad core even 
>>> better
>>> (most likely).  But, if the program you use often is very CPU intensive
>>> and
>>> is not designed to run on multiple cores, then the multi-cores wouldn't
>>> help
>>> unless there are other programs running at the same time that slow the
>>> CPU
>>> down.
>>>
>>> Confused?  I'm sorry, but this is only the main points and it only gets
>>> more
>>> complicated.  Maybe Gman can explain it better... he has a way with 
>>> words
>>> that I can't touch.
>>>
>>> OK, maybe this will help:
>>> - AMD is usually cheaper for the performance you get, but they usually
>>> run
>>> hotter, so they often have a noisier fan cooling them.
>>> - Multiple core CPU's usually give a snappier feel to Windows especially
>>> if
>>> you run more than one program at a time.
>>> - Movie editing and graphics editing will usually benefit from having as
>>> many cores as you can afford, but spending extra money on a better video
>>> card might improve these tasks better.
>>> - High tech action games are also more dependent on graphics card than
>>> CPU,
>>> but you still need a decent CPU.
>>> - If you don't run any CPU hogging programs, then anything new would 
>>> feel
>>> a
>>> world better than an old PC, but a dual core would probably feel more
>>> responsive.
>>> - If you are just trying to get Vista to run better, then get something
>>> with
>>> 3 or 4 Gigabytes of RAM, good video card (better video card if you plan
>>> on
>>> running Vista's Aero), and as fast a dual core as you can afford.
>>>
>>> As you can see, the graphics performance often matters as much as the 
>>> CPU
>>> (sometimes more so), so I'm guessing your next question will be about
>>> video
>>> cards.  Unfortunately video cards are at least as complicated.  When I
>>> buy
>>> computer parts I spend days doing google searches for reviews and
>>> comparisons of everything I'm looking for.
>>>
>>> The more info you give us on what programs you plan on running, the
>>> better
>>> advise we can give you.  ;)
>>
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