-=PCTechTalk=- Re: GMan -----Question about creating a Acronis image

GMan!
and Don 101(re his last para "End of hiatus" post of 22nd Feb)

My very sincere and humble apologies for the MESS; I had tried bolding 
and italicising, and underlining my replies for greater clarity, but 
found these were all converted to normal type (except for some 
extraneous asterisks) all of which added further confusion.

This reply relates to your para

> Unless Acronis is using the term incorrectly, a "Clone" will not allow 
> itself to be placed within a folder.  Instead, it will only allow you to 
> copy an entire drive or partition to another entire drive or partition. 
> Once completed, the second volume will look exactly like the original 
> (individual files & folders).  If the original is bootable, so will the 
> copy.
I tiptoed down the path of creating a clone of my Drive 1 ......... 
Acronis>"Hard disk utilities">"Clone your hard disk by copying 
partitions to another HD>option."Automatic">"All your partitions from 
old HD will be copied to new HD and make it bootable" (SO FAR SO GOOD) 
but then>"This operation is possible only if the destination HD is 
empty">"In order to proceed, allow Acronis to DELETE all parttions on 
the destination HD, OR choose another destination drive".

 Tried "Option - Manual" ..... same story.

 At this point I wanted to ask for my money back (not that I have paid 
any yet as it's a free trial).

This means all of my files, lovingly saved and backed up (after the 
impeccable tutelage of GMan) on my Seagate Drive 1 would disappear with 
a stroke, in smoke.

So, I have not the heart to undertake anything else at the moment 
....except; go off and have a brandy.

Roger W.

On 25/02/2008 1:39 p.m., GMan wrote:
> Embedded, Emboldened and getting increasingly more difficult to read, I have 
> attempted to clean up our mess to allow conversation to once again flow like 
> wine (or brandy, perhaps)
>
> Peace,
> G
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "RMB White" <roguer@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 6:25 PM
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: GMan -----Question about creating a Acronis 
> image
>
>
>   
>> *It is my intention to place ALL backups whether image or clone on a
>> partition on my external drive, and the OS on the external Active 
>> partition.
>>     
>
>
> Unless Acronis is using the term incorrectly, a "Clone" will not allow 
> itself to be placed within a folder.  Instead, it will only allow you to 
> copy an entire drive or partition to another entire drive or partition. 
> Once completed, the second volume will look exactly like the original 
> (individual files & folders).  If the original is bootable, so will the 
> copy.
>
> On the other hand, an "Image" is a single file that contains all of the 
> files and folders of the original, very similar to a Zip file, but using a 
> completely different compression scheme that normally leaves the image file 
> larger than the sum of the collective files and folders it represents.
>
> It is therefore advisable for you to Clone your OS to the second drive's 
> first partition (making that drive bootable in case of emergency) and then 
> Image the first drive's remaining volumes to a different partition on the 
> second drive (thereby backing up everything else).  I believe that the 
> second drive's first partition does not need to be set as Active for it to 
> accept the Clone of your C: drive.  However, if such a time should arise 
> where you need to substitute the second drive for the first (i.e. your first 
> drive gives up the ghost), the first partition of that second drive will 
> need to be made Active before you can actually boot to it.
>
>
>   
>> In this regard, I am slightly confused by your comments of 22nd Feb and
>> wonder if the numbers for D,E,F should be as I describe them below,
>> since you have said the Primary (I presume you mean Active) partitions
>> on Drives 0 and 1 get first choice??
>>     
>
>
> Your assumption is correct.  I meant to use the term "Active" in place of 
> Primary.
>
>
>   
>> *
>>     
>>>  Using our assumptions in paragraph 4, you would end up with the letters
>>> C to H representing the following volumes in this order:
>>>
>>> C:\ - 1
>>> D:\ - 4    *3*
>>> E:\ - 2    *4*
>>> F:\ - 3    *2*
>>> G:\ - 5
>>> H:\ - 6
>>>       
>> *In my case, my four external partitions are all primary, with the first
>> being Äctive (now WHERE did that umlaut come from?? ...more corruption?
>> HA, perhaps not, the keyboard has flipped from English New Zealand to
>> United States International!!)
>>     
>
>
> No.  As I meant to say, the Active partitions get first dibs.  With assigned 
> designations of drive0 = partitions 1, 2 & 3 and drive1 = partitions 4, 5 & 
> 6, Windows would immediately grab both Active partitions (1 & 4) and assign 
> them as C: and D: respectively.  The remaining partitions would then fall in 
> place in the order they were found (2, 3, 5 & 6).  Since my use of the word 
> "Primary" is at the root of this confusion, understand that this shuffling 
> is not affected by a drives "Primary" or "Logical" setting.  Volumes 2, 3, 5 
> & 6 can be set to either type and it would not cause them to shuffle.  I 
> apologize for the earlier confusion.
>
> My advice here is to use a partitioning utility to remove the Active 
> designation from Volume 4 (second drive, first partition) before moving 
> forward.  Once that is done, Move any data presently on that volume to 
> another partition of the same drive.  This will completely empty volume 4 in 
> preparation for the incoming Clone of volume 1 (with the exception of a 
> Recycle Bin and a "System Volume Information", which is the folder that 
> contains System Restore points).  To then remove that folder, turn off 
> System Restore for that drive letter. To do that, Right click on My Computer 
> and select Properties from the context menu.  Next, click on the System 
> Restore tab, choose the volume from the list and click the Settings button. 
> Then, place a check mark next to "Turn off System Restore on this drive". 
> Once you OK your way out of there, the folder should be removed.  If not, 
> you'll have to remove it yourself.  If it complains, reboot and try again.
>
> I will also suggest that you clear out all Temp folders (including your 
> Temporary Internet Files) and empty the Recycle Bin prior to making the 
> Clone.  No sense in saving a bunch of unnecessary junk.
>
>
>   
>> I am holding off cloning the OS to the external until I can establish
>> whether Acronis will reassign drive letters in a different order than at
>> present.  In which case does it Automatically change the file paths
>> within the previous letters??
>>     
>
>
> The only things that automatically change drive letter assignments are the 
> use of Active partitions and the later introduction of new internal devices 
> such as tape or optical drives &/or additional external drives.
>
>
>   
>> *
>>     
>
>   
>>> A full backup of an OS drive includes all of the files required for that
>>> drive to be bootable.  Some of these files must be located at the root of
>>> the drive for them to work.  Since the entire bootable drive's contents
>>> cannot be run from within a folder, it is required that the restoration 
>>> be
>>> set to the root of a drive or partition.  In other words, the image is of 
>>> a
>>> complete drive, so the restoration must also be to a full drive and not
>>> inside a folder.
>>>
>>>       
>> *Thank you, but when I tried to restore to"Different Location" it did
>> ask me to Create a new file name*
>>     
>
>
> My guess is that it is looking for a name it can use for its own 
> organization of your backups.  If I'm correct, this is the name you would 
> click on when you wish to restore this particular backup.  In other words, 
> try treating it like the main backup folder name I suggested when you were 
> doing all of this manually.  Give it a name like "Full - 2008-02-24" so that 
> it will be easy to differentiate from other backups.
>
>
>   
>>> Confession may be good for the soul, but it's a cruel friend to the
>>> conscious mind.
>>> (a GMan original, I might add)
>>>
>>>       
>> *I LIKE it!!  do you have any more originals? .. perhaps there's a
>> book.......?*
>>     
>
> I must confess that I never save items such as these.  The recall of 
> quotations is probably best left to someone other than the quoted.       ;O) 
>
>
>   

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