-=PCTechTalk=- Re: G man
- From: "Bob Crews" <rec46@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 23:14:33 -0600
Troth,
I read the entire statement he made. Guess I just missed it. IRC is just
like this group. Only difference is it's on IRC and is instant replies with
little waiting. From what I read of KC's email was saying he's flat against
people from this group going to an IRC channel. This is exactly the first
thing he said. "I do NOT support a IRC channel........using it would
separate the learning that goes on here". Now if that statement is not
being against the IRC channel because of this group, then what do you call
it. I said before and I'll say again, no one is leaving this group. Some
of us are just branching out in another direction to better ourselves and
sharing our knowledge with each other. I have nothing against this channel
and I don't think the other ones do neither.
I apologize if I hurt any feelings about what I said about G Man. I didn't
mean to harm. He might be a fantastic man and I truly understand how he
might have had to leave for a while to save his marriage. I know people who
have gotten divorced over computers. Though I think it's pitiful when a
married couple gets jealous over a computer. I know of others who have had
the same problem.
Let's let this stop now and move on our way. We can still be of help to
each other her no matter what. One more time I'll say, Believe me when I
say no one is being asked to leave this group.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "~OoO~" <sirtroth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 10:07 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: G man
> Bob, you seem to be missing the point on KC's statement. If you want to
> start an IRC room, then go ahead. There's no fear that people will leave
> this list to go to an IRC room. The list already has a loyal following.
> And,
> this is not a dictatorship. If someone doesn't like the list, they leave.
> Why would we want to pin people here that aren't interested. IRC chats are
> fun and a refreshing change to an email list sometimes. But, and I agree
> with this, IRC is usually not the best medium for tech help. I don't
> know...
> maybe its me. But, I can't go into an IRC room and just hang around. I
> could, however, go to an IRC room when I wanna toss some time around
> meeting
> new people with similar interests. I used to be on IRC a lot, until my
> time
> became lacking. For me, email just works better. But, this is why all of
> the
> best tech support groups on the web either use bulletin board software
> (vBulletin, phpBB, etc) or an email list, such as ours. If you want to
> start
> an IRC room, go for it... but, just set it up, give the details once, and
> let's move on.
>
> Regarding Gman... you obviously didn't completely read KC's post. In his
> #2
> statement... "Gman ran into some personal problems." More specifically,
> Gman
> ran into some financial problems. Should we go deeper? No, of course not.
> Technically, its not important WHAT those problems are... only that the
> guy
> has some deeper issues to deal with. Imagine telling your wife or children
> that the computer and internet are more important... wouldn't stand, would
> it. Point is, Gman started this list several years ago. He was on a list
> that was geared to a different topic (tech topic, but not really tech
> support), and he decided to spin off into his own list, to help those less
> knowledgeable. He brought a few us along for the ride and recruited new
> hands. As anyone that has dealt with him can tell you, he went out of his
> way to help. And, he was very good at explaining things. Maybe that was
> his
> "instructor" skills, since he was a guitar teacher as well.
>
> So... now you know what you need to know about Gman. And, you know, I
> don't
> believe he's gone permanently. I know he'll eventually be back.
> Unfortunately, his email addresses that we have are down as well. But, we
> get an occasional email from him.
>
> ---Troth
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:pctechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Crews
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:43 PM
> To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: G man
>
> Bob,
>
> Well I'm really sorry you are so one sided and feel the way you do.
> Number
> one, no one said anyone would quit this group because there's a channel on
> IRC for them to go to and be able to talk live without having to wait for
> someone to get done cooking supper, or to get back from a trip or come to
> think of it, the owner won't run off and leave someone else holding the
> bag
> of running the channel/group.
>
> No one said they have to quit this group. If you don't like the idea then
> don't bother coming to the channel. It's as simple as that. I don't plan
> on quitting the group neither simply because not all people are going to
> go
> on IRC. But for those who are going on IRC, more power to them if they
> wish
>
> to better themselves. There's no reason to start jumping on their cases
> and
>
> raising hell simply because they plan on doing something you don't care to
> do. That is very one sided and dis-respectful.
>
> As far as your last statement here, why do you think someone's mother
> would
> look down on them simply because they go to an IRC channel? They go there
> because they wish to and maybe even to better themselves. As I said, no
> one
>
> has been told they should leave this group. The channel is so no one has
> to
>
> wait until someone decides to reply to their post and so no one will yell
> at
>
> them because they talked about something other then computers or programs.
>
> More power to the new Mods. I wish them well. There will also be channel
> ops on the new channel which is the same as a Mod. The 7 supporters of
> the
> new channel will all be channel operators (Mods). We are all supposed to
> be
>
> here to help each other. The channel will not stop that.
>
> The channel can also be like a family. Just because it's on IRC don't
> mean
> it's a bad thing. Before you knock something, look into it and give it a
> try. To allow, and encourage, a certain amount of "chatter" is nice but
> the
>
> channel will allow all the chatter no matter what it is so long as it has
> nothing to do with porn. If someone on the channel don't like the type of
> chatter going on at that time, then they don't have to participate and are
> welcome to talk about what ever they want. Nothing anyone wants to talk
> about will be shot down.
>
> Like I said before, the channel will be there for anyone who wishes to
> talk
> and get an instant answer at that time. They can and will still be part
> of
> this group. No one will desert you're group. It is very easy to be in a
> channel and keep looking at your email for messages. What's wrong with
> someone wanting more for their time they spend on their computer and
> what's
> wrong with someone wishing to have instant help for something that might
> need the help right now and not necessarily when someone gets ready to
> reply
>
> to their email. There is nothing wrong with the group nor is there
> anything
>
> wrong with the channel. Together we can all make a difference. We can
> all
> help each other now in more ways then one.
>
> I have only one other question about the matter of this group. If it was
> so
>
> important to G Man, then why has he decided not to be part of it anymore?
> I
>
> have been here for a little while and have never heard anything about him
> until today. I WILL be around the channel at least 90 percent of the
> time.
>
> That really doesn't matter though. The group is here and will remain here
> and I imagine everyone who goes to the channel will also be here. It is
> very possible and easy to be in both. Just as the channel is concerned.
> It
>
> will be here and will stay here for a long time and nothing says the
> members
>
> of the channel has to stop this group. I don't plan on stopping or
> helping
> where ever I can and I don't think anyone else will neither.
>
> Bob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "The Keyboard Cowboy" <KBCowboy@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Bob Crews" <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 6:49 PM
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: G man
>
>
>> Wait a second here...........
>>
>> I've been kind of quiet hoping this would die away. It hasn't so I
>> must step in.
>>
>> 1) I do NOT support a IRC channel........using it would separate the
>> learning that goes on here. Every time someone asks a question here,
>> five or ten people learn something just by listening. If it's asked
>> on an IRC channel, there is no one else reading the answer unless we
>> all sit and monitor the channel......bad situation. Additionally,
>> there is no archive to do research on. Lastly, the idea of this group
>> is to provide support to newer PC users...........moving, even a part
>> of the group, to IRC involves even more learning for those same
>> people.
>>
>> 2) GMan was the founder of this group....and worked damned hard to
>> make it a success. Others like myself, DrFaustus, SirTroth, and
>> nightsneak were hand picked to help administer the list.
>> Unfortunately, GMan ran into some personal problems and had to leave
>> the list. It was thought his leave would be temporary, but it has
>> become, I guess, permanent. Nightsneak passed away from cancer.
>>
>> 3) This group will remain here, and will be run as it was originally
>> intended......as a support group where each of us helps the other,
>> sharing our collective understanding of computers and software. We
>> will dissuade all attempts to answer questions off list, including
>> using IRC, etc. as doing so robs the other members of the answers to
>> questions. Remember, the intent is NOT to just provide an answer to
>> the person who asks the question, it is to share the answer among many
>> who read the traffic, and who, though they may not have asked the
>> question, may also not know the answer. Additionally, if the answer
>> isn't shared..the thread dies and even more information on the topic
>> of the thread will not be shared.
>>
>> 4) We have been rather hamstrung by not having GMans
>> leadership......the list belonged to him. Recently, the list
>> ownership has been transferred to me. I gave Freelists the option to
>> give it to any of the current Mods.....it was given to me. I cherish
>> the help of the Mods we have, and hope they will remain with the list.
>> So far, they have done just that, as evidenced by the fact that no
>> one noticed we'd changed ownership.......business is as usual.
>>
>> 5) I've identified the need for at least two more Mods to help with
>> the list. The current Mods have discussed this, and we've settled on
>> two we'd like to ask. We hope they will answer the call when
>> asked......we think they are good people and will help the list a
>> great deal. Remember that Mods aren't picked because they are the
>> smartest PC people..........but because of their personality, their
>> demonstrated ability to communicate well, their demonstrated desire to
>> help others, and their dedication to the list. More on this in the
>> near future.....but I hope the people we've elected to ask will agree
>> to serve us all.
>>
>> 6) Another aspect of the lists personality is that most people who
>> are members become part of a sort of family. We allow, and encourage,
>> a certain amount of "chatter" or off-topic discussion. It was this
>> way when GMan owned the list, and it will continue that way on my
>> watch. We Mods believe it adds to the sense of community, and helps
>> those reluctant to post, to feel at ease and contribute to the
>> community. Please remember, it is NOT the Mods who provide the
>> technical answers..........it is the members themselves.....so
>> everyone is valued here.
>>
>> 7) The topic of the digest has come up before. I'm sorry that some
>> find the list traffic heavy. While I sympathize with their dilemma, I
>> will NOT ask the list to curtail the number or length of posts. I do
>> agree we ought be respectful of others, though, by making sure the
>> topic is in agreement with the post, and by minimizing the older
>> portions of each new post. That means......don't cut everything off
>> as it makes it harder to follow the thread.........it does mean cut
>> off previous information that doesn't help further the thread. The
>> total traffic on this list is still fairly small compared to the many
>> lists I've belonged to or moderated. For those few who find it too
>> much, perhaps other lists would be more suited to their needs. I will
>> not curtail this list to suit a few.
>>
>> 8) Lastly, I want to thank those people who have been here a long
>> time, and who have stayed with the list even when it seemed down and
>> doomed. I'm excited, as I see the number of posts increasing.....the
>> content getting more diversified and interesting. I wish to thank not
>> only the few Mods we have, but all you regulars who hang in here every
>> day and take the time to answer questions -- it is YOU people who are
>> the heart and soul of this list.
>>
>> If anyone has questions, please feel free to ask them. We are not
>> heavy handed here.........the only real rules are that this list:
>>
>> 1) Respects all its members and believes there are no stupid
>> questions.
>> 2) Requires that all members treat each others posts with respect.
>> In simple terms......never post anything here you wouldn't post to
>> your mother, daughter, or minister <G>
>>
>> Regards from
>>
>> Bob -- the "Keyboard Cowboy",
>> ,,,,,,,,
>> =D4=BF=D4=AC
>> Cincinnati, Ohio
>> Scottsdale, Arizona
>> ---------------------------------
>> Sunday, 2/13/2005, @ 7:14:24 PM EST
>> ---------------------------------
>> A man should never be ashamed to own that he has been in the wrong,
>> which is but saying that he is wiser today than he was yesterday.
>>
>> -- Alexander Pope (1688-1744) English Poet
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:08:21 -0600, Bob Crews wrote:
>> | Hi Mike,
>> |
>> | Don't get me wrong Mike, It's a very nice group. I like it as
>> | does my wife. I also understand people preferring on topic
>> | posts being put here. I just don't understand why G man would
>> | possibly be so down on it. Anyway, it's not really a big deal.
>> | I am opening a irc channel for the purpose of having computer
>> | help an general chat. That way maybe there will be less off
>> | topic talk here. If you would like to make it known to new
>> | people on this group that there is a new channel they can go
>> | to, it might help. I will promise you that we will not try to
>> | pull your users away from this group. The new channel is just
>> | so there is a place where people can go and get "real time"
>> | inf. and chat as well. You are invited as well. You do not
>> | have to be a supporter to be part of the channel. I was asking
>> | for supporters before because it calls for 7 supporters in
>> | order for me to be able to start the new channel.
>> |
>> | If you or anyone else has any questions about the new channel,
>> | please feel free to notify me with my personal email address.
>> |
>> | Bob
>> |
>> |
>> | ----- Original Message -----
>> | From: "Mike" <mikebike@xxxxxxxxx>
>> | To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> | Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 2:46 PM
>> | Subject: -=3DPCTechTalk=3D- G man
>> |
>> |
>> | | Hi Bob,
>> | | I changed the Subject to match the thread.
>> | |
>> | | G man was one of the founders of this group.
>> | | I assisted with the move to here on Freelists from Yahoo.
>> | |
>> | | Mike ~ It is a good day if I learned something new.
>> | | Editor MikesWhatsNews http://www.mwn.ca/
>> | |
>> | | ******* Mike's REPLY SEPARATOR *********
>> | |
>> | | On 2/13/2005 at 12:54 PM Bob Crews wrote:
>> | |
>> | | Well, just exactly who is G man? Maybe he's one of the
>> | | supporters for the new channel because one of them is
>> | | using the nick name of G. Anyway, nothing WRONG or BAD
>> | | is going on in HIS group. Just an over sight. Big deal.
>> | |
>> | | Bob
>> | |
>> | | ----- Original Message -----
>> | | From: "John W" <skeets@xxxxxxxxx>
>> | | To: <pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> | | Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:30 PM
>> | | Subject: -=3DPCTechTalk=3D- Re: Problem with modem
>> | |
>> | |
>> | | | Sometimes I'm glad that G Man isn't around to see
>> | | | what's going on here on his group!
>> | | |
>> | | | John
>> | | S N I P S N I P S N I P S N I P
>> | |
>> | | please trim for the benifit of those on digest
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