-=PCTechTalk=- Re: CLOCK

  • From: "Robert Andrew Dulaney Jr." <rdulaneyjr@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: pctechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:53:31 -0700 (PDT)

Thank you and yes that is correct.  However most (everyone I use anyway) as 
long as there is power to the machine the BIOS is safe, when power is not 
available that is when the battery takes over.
 
I usually don't get sick, but when I do it seams to make up for lost time
Bluebelle <bluebelle1st@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Sorry about your cold, this is the time of year for it.

Found this info about the CMOS battery (but it is not any help for SandyLea 
since she has a unique problem with time jumping forward and no drop down 
for time zone),

"CMOS & Clock Backup batteries perform the same function in desktop and 
laptop computers: when the computer is turned off, the battery maintains the 
time and date, thus insuring their accuracy when the system is once again 
restarted. More importantly, the battery saves the computers BIOS setup 
configuration, which allows the system to efficiently reboot once it is 
restarted."


Bluebelle


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Andrew Dulaney Jr." 
To: 

Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 12:14 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: CLOCK


>I never have ether MS Bluebelle. But if it is left plugged in as I believe 
>she has said the battery should not be faulty. it uses the battery when no 
>other power sourse is available.
>
> I am awfully foggy in the head - obviously I am not building systems 
> today. maybe I shoul put a disclaimer in my e-mails to this board, at 
> least till my head clears :-)
> Bluebelle wrote:
> Just to clarify---This is the little CMOS battery that is between the size
> of a nickel and a quarter (looks like a big watch battery) that is on all
> motherboards. It can last a long time or go out tomorrow. It only costs a
> small amount to replace it. About 1-3 dollars. Losing time is almost 
> always
> a symptom of its failure but I have never heard of its losing part of the
> screen for time. That is why I have not answered before.
>
> Here is one place that that tells you how. There are many others, search 
> for
> CMOS battery.
>
> http://www.cybertechhelp.com/html/tutorials/tutorial.php/id/58
>
>
> Bluebelle
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Don"
> To:
>
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:01 AM
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: CLOCK
>
>
>> I'm trying to learn something here, so....
>>
>> Why is the battery your best bet? Let's say the battery is bad. That
>> means no juice or too little juice to the clock when the computer is
>> turned
>> off which means the time will not be correct when you turn the computer
>> back
>> on. I've had bad time in the BIOS and never had problems with the time
>> setting interface. When you turn the computer back on, the wall socket is
>> the source of power instead of the battery. So, in theory anyway, the
>> problem should go away.
>>
>> If the BIOS is telling the time setting interface "we have a problem with
>> the battery", wouldn't the interface simply tell us "check battery" 
>> rather
>> than cause a single tab in the interface to malfunction?
>>
>> I'm thinking the BIOS does not communicate anything to the windows Time
>> setting interface and that Windows does not care what time it is..
>> Instead
>> the interface reads the BIOS and simply displays what it reads. If
>> Windows
>> and the time setting interface don't care if the BIOS time is correct or
>> not
>> how does this cause the Time Zone tab to be inoperative?
>>
>> Why is this the first time I have ever heard of this problem? Has anyone
>> else? Why can I not find anything on the M$ website about this problem?
>> Why can't I find anything about this problem in a Google search? I can
>> think of two possible answers...
>>
>> 1. The problem is UNIQUE. Literally. It requires the combination of the
>> uniqueness of her total computer system and just the right character(s)
>> corrupted in a billion lines of code to cause this problem.
>>
>> 2. The problem is caused by something that was done to the computer or
>> the
>> software, either intentionally, accidentally or by virus/worm/adware etc.
>> A
>> permission setting has been changed. A file attribute or name changed. A
>> diagnostic procedure did something wrong.
>>
>> This line of thinking suggests to me that the way to fix the problem is 
>> to
>> do a repair or reinstall of the operating system. And it may require a
>> clean install on a freshly formatted hard drive. And it may also require
>> downloading of any new/updated drivers for the various components of the
>> system and updates/patches for the applications to be installed.
>>
>> If it was me, and I had a spare hard drive laying around or could afford
>> to
>> buy a new (or used) one (and make good use of it afterwards), I would
>> install it and put a clean install of Windows on it and see if the 
>> problem
>> still exists. If the problem is gone, I'd leave that harddrive in and use
>> it until I had time to go back and do a backup of the other drive and 
>> then
>> format and install Windows on it.
>>
>> If I didn't have a spare or could not make good use of a new one after 
>> the
>> problem is fixed, then I would backup the drive, FDISK and format it and
>> then do a clean install complete with patches, updated drivers and 
>> updated
>> software.
>>
>> OR, I would say the hell with it and learn to live with the problem.
>>
>>
>> Everyone is welcome to take punches at my line of thinking... poke holes
>> in
>> my logic... present other ideas... I just find this puzzle interesting
>> and
>> trying to learn something from it.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Robert Andrew Dulaney Jr."
>> To:
>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:38 PM
>> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: CLOCK
>>
>>
>>> Nor am I a GURU, But yes the BIOS and the O/S communicate with each 
>>> other
>>> and should be fine as long as the BIOS clock and batteryis in good
>>> working
>>> order
>>> however you do have software in the O/S that "talks to the BIOS" and
>>> allows the
>>> BIOS to "talk to the O/S"
>>>
>>> so as you see your thinking is not bad - however there is a software
>>> interface that
>>> could be the malfunction.
>>>
>>> My best bet is the Clock Battery, but an overinstall (repair) would
>>> defently prove it was
>>> not the O/S - on the otherhand - replacing the battery leaves just the
>>> BIOS or the O/S.
>>> it's a matter of what is easier for you to do to nail the problem and 
>>> the
>>> way you go about troubleshooting.
>>>
>>> Sorry if this is a bit late in comming, I am not feeling well and am 
>>> back
>>> and forth in /out of bed
>>> probably not a good tme to be doing this stuff either.
>>>
>>
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