Mmmmmmmm, Didn't know that about Winmodems now being a tm for US Robotics - but..... Look they have a new term now - Linmodems The developers at linmodems.org have coined the term Linmodem to describe a winmodem that can be used with Linux with a commercial or open-source driver. It has been pointed out to me that the name "Winmodem" is/was a registered trademark of U.S. Robotics (or 3Com while they were merged). I'm sure that they are proud of this fact ;) In any case, when I refer to Winmodems, please read it as "Winmodems(tm), host-based modems, HCF-modems, HSP-modems, and all similar modem-like hardware." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ TTFN Vic "To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -----Original Message----- From: pcductape-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pcductape-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott McNay Sent: Saturday, 07 June, 2003 07:21 To: Victor Firestone Hello Victor, Friday, June 6, 2003, 11:04:44 AM, you wrote: VF> The term winmodems is only for internal modems - coined from VF> Linux/Unix as these were deemed "windows" modems and until a while VF> ago almost impossible to use under those OS's. Back then [not so VF> long ago either] to run a modem on Linux it had to be an external one. Last I heard, "Winmodem" is a trademark (or whatever) of USRobotics. --Scott. To unsubscribe from this list send an email to pcductape-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface. To unsubscribe from this list send an email to pcductape-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface.