That's true and I should, I have been told to do so by many experts as well a many computer scientist I know. But I am old fashion, and don't like hiding, I want to be start forward, and honest. I enjoy life, and to me it is just a part of it. I belong to lots of e-mail list, and get my share of junk. Only one thing gets me are flame wars or spoofed emails. OK that was two. Steve Moreno Valley, Ca To unsubscribe from this list send an email to pcductape-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface.