Cry wolf is those messages from people who STILL don't know that jgbear-whatever is NOT bad. Pam's message prompted me to confirm that my automatic update is functioning. And since the automatic system sometimes fails, I checked with the Symantec web site. It is nice to have these gentle reminders that can serve more than one purpose. Some of us did actually check our systems. Plus we know the list is still alive. Jan To unsubscribe from this list send an email to pcductape-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web interface.